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"Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« on: February 08, 2014, 01:09:pm »

I'd never heard of this technology before, but it's a step beyond internet filters. This is a system whereby your internet activity is tracked and a report is sent to someone you trust and who can see what you've been looking at so s/he can talk to you about it, offer support when necessary, etc. I guess it's like having a AA-style buddy or sponsor system for porn addicts.

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dark lancer

Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2014, 03:39:pm »
These have been around for years.  I imagine that they're handy if you have someone to trust with such things, but there's always ways around them.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2014, 04:17:pm »
The problem with it is that there are so many ways to circumvent it easily. I think the problem with porn addiction is we aren't really interested in getting at the root of the problem or maybe we are afraid to. Instead we craft all sorts of protocols and gizmos to enforce sobriety but sobriety alone does not solve the underlying problems. I'm not condoning porn addicts but my guess is their choice of "entertainment" has a great deal to do a lack of fruitful friendships with the opposite sex. I feel that so often as Catholics (and Christians) we are always throwing up divisions between men and women. You have "men's ministries" which IMO are little more than "pasta parties" (really the one in diocese thinks men like to sit around and eat a lot of pasta) and "women's ministries" that who knows what they talk about. Where are all the "lets all work together ministries?" God made men and women to bond. He didn't make us to sit at opposite ends of the earth and only come together for reproduction. Marriage prep is the first and last time you see a focus on bringing men and women together to discuss union. Then we wonder why men "retreat into their world" and women into theirs.
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Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2014, 04:24:pm »
I speak from experience, these porn filters are very easy to circumvent if you really need to get your porn fix. Prayer, confession, sacraments and face to face accountability or much better helps in my opinion.

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Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 06:26:pm »
The problem with it is that there are so many ways to circumvent it easily. I think the problem with porn addiction is we aren't really interested in getting at the root of the problem or maybe we are afraid to. Instead we craft all sorts of protocols and gizmos to enforce sobriety but sobriety alone does not solve the underlying problems. I'm not condoning porn addicts but my guess is their choice of "entertainment" has a great deal to do a lack of fruitful friendships with the opposite sex. I feel that so often as Catholics (and Christians) we are always throwing up divisions between men and women. You have "men's ministries" which IMO are little more than "pasta parties" (really the one in diocese thinks men like to sit around and eat a lot of pasta) and "women's ministries" that who knows what they talk about. Where are all the "lets all work together ministries?" God made men and women to bond. He didn't make us to sit at opposite ends of the earth and only come together for reproduction. Marriage prep is the first and last time you see a focus on bringing men and women together to discuss union. Then we wonder why men "retreat into their world" and women into theirs.

The women's ministries (in the protestant church at least) consists of reading a couple verses, telling everyone what you think it's means and then everyone makes washcloth animals. Yeah I did this exact thing once...then I never went back. The men's group at the same church would read a inspirational book together argue about it and then watch football/other sports. I know because my husband did that until they decided to have football in the sanctuary where they were supposed to worship God he was offended and the pastor was offended he was offended and then neither of us went to the Men's/women's meetings.


I wanted to say this too...that I think Dr. Laura was right when she was confronting a porn "addict" she asked him if he looks at porn at work or in a coffee shop or anywhere else besides home...his answer no. She then informed him he was no different than a man that beats his wife and says he can't help it yet he doesn't beat up other men...it's not an "addiction" it's a choice to sin and then try to claim that you cannot help yourself. I agree with that assessment and I say that as a former avid porn watcher. (yes that's right chicks look at that disgusting garbage too...)  :blush: (not any more thankfully I decided to stop when I started attending a Christian church back in 2003) Now as a catechumen I wouldn't EVER watch that crap.
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Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 08:47:pm »
The women's ministries (in the protestant church at least) consists of reading a couple verses, telling everyone what you think it's means and then everyone makes washcloth animals. Yeah I did this exact thing once...then I never went back. The men's group at the same church would read a inspirational book together argue about it and then watch football/other sports. I know because my husband did that until they decided to have football in the sanctuary where they were supposed to worship God he was offended and the pastor was offended he was offended and then neither of us went to the Men's/women's meetings.


I wanted to say this too...that I think Dr. Laura was right when she was confronting a porn "addict" she asked him if he looks at porn at work or in a coffee shop or anywhere else besides home...his answer no. She then informed him he was no different than a man that beats his wife and says he can't help it yet he doesn't beat up other men...it's not an "addiction" it's a choice to sin and then try to claim that you cannot help yourself. I agree with that assessment and I say that as a former avid porn watcher. (yes that's right chicks look at that disgusting garbage too...:blush: (not any more thankfully I decided to stop when I started attending a Christian church back in 2003) Now as a catechumen I wouldn't EVER watch that crap.

Bolded: Yes, I know because I dated a girl that did and swore she would deny it if I ever told anyone. I don't think people want to admit (maybe women most of all) that women choose to do it too. What happens then is women feel like they can't talk about it because "its a man's problem" hence feelings of isolation and freakish behavior. For men, we boil everything down to biology and make lust look unconquerable because "its hard wired." I find that as an insult to God's creation but even a lot of Christian groups preach that.

I think overall we need less waxing on poetry on women and lets not even start on men. I think we need people that want to talk about how to heal the division between men and women. We need more poetry on the union itself and not just the parts. Given what's come out of the Vatican since JPII I don't think we are going to see it anytime soon. Just more of the half-assed sociological "research" and men are this women are that nonsense. I think we'll find the true differences when we let man and woman be as God made them, together as one.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 10:22:pm »
The women's ministries (in the protestant church at least) consists of reading a couple verses, telling everyone what you think it's means and then everyone makes washcloth animals. Yeah I did this exact thing once...then I never went back. The men's group at the same church would read a inspirational book together argue about it and then watch football/other sports. I know because my husband did that until they decided to have football in the sanctuary where they were supposed to worship God he was offended and the pastor was offended he was offended and then neither of us went to the Men's/women's meetings.


I wanted to say this too...that I think Dr. Laura was right when she was confronting a porn "addict" she asked him if he looks at porn at work or in a coffee shop or anywhere else besides home...his answer no. She then informed him he was no different than a man that beats his wife and says he can't help it yet he doesn't beat up other men...it's not an "addiction" it's a choice to sin and then try to claim that you cannot help yourself. I agree with that assessment and I say that as a former avid porn watcher. (yes that's right chicks look at that disgusting garbage too...:blush: (not any more thankfully I decided to stop when I started attending a Christian church back in 2003) Now as a catechumen I wouldn't EVER watch that crap.

Bolded: Yes, I know because I dated a girl that did and swore she would deny it if I ever told anyone. I don't think people want to admit (maybe women most of all) that women choose to do it too. What happens then is women feel like they can't talk about it because "its a man's problem" hence feelings of isolation and freakish behavior. For men, we boil everything down to biology and make lust look unconquerable because "its hard wired." I find that as an insult to God's creation but even a lot of Christian groups preach that.

I think overall we need less waxing on poetry on women and lets not even start on men. I think we need people that want to talk about how to heal the division between men and women. We need more poetry on the union itself and not just the parts. Given what's come out of the Vatican since JPII I don't think we are going to see it anytime soon. Just more of the half-assed sociological "research" and men are this women are that nonsense. I think we'll find the true differences when we let man and woman be as God made them, together as one.

Yeah, it took me years to accept the reality that women can become hooked on it.
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Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2014, 02:13:pm »

Yeah, it took me years to accept the reality that women can become hooked on it.

Little annoys me more than the Victorian-era idea of women as sexless. That stuff caused so much damage, it's unreal. That -- along with corsets that disallowed normal breathing and movement, and other restrictions on women based on what was considered "lady-like"  -- are the causes of all the "hysteria" and "neurasthenia" cases of that era. And do you know how doctors treated hysteria and neurasthenia? Alongside diet and bedrest, etc., they treated it by giving women "hysterial paroxysms" in their doctors' offices. "Hysterical paroxysm" was brought about by -- massaging the genitals until the woman had a "fit." That's how vibrators were developed: doctors got tired of doing it by hand.

So women would go and get their "hysterical paroxysm" and leave the doctor's office feeling good for once. If women had been seen as the sexual creatures we are, husbands would've been doing that instead of doctors.


Speaking of corsets:


From "Science -  An Illustrated Journal," July-December 1887:





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Her doctor: "In time, it won't be possible to move without the corset, or in the worst case, it won't be possible to move in general."

(38 cm = 14.9 inches)

 
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divinesilence80

Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2014, 03:01:pm »

Yeah, it took me years to accept the reality that women can become hooked on it.

Little annoys me more than the Victorian-era idea of women as sexless. That stuff caused so much damage, it's unreal. That -- along with corsets that disallowed normal breathing and movement, and other restrictions on women based on what was considered "lady-like"  -- are the causes of all the "hysteria" and "neurasthenia" cases of that era. And do you know how doctors treated hysteria and neurasthenia? Alongside diet and bedrest, etc., they treated it by giving women "hysterial paroxysms" in their doctors' offices. "Hysterical paroxysm" was brought about by -- massaging the genitals until the woman had a "fit." That's how vibrators were developed: doctors got tired of doing it by hand.

So women would go and get their "hysterical paroxysm" and leave the doctor's office feeling good for once. If women had been seen as the sexual creatures we are, husbands would've been doing that instead of doctors.

You're not the only one! It makes goddesses out of women that us "lowly earthly men should feel unworthy to be around." It's a puritanical belief that is still alive and well in many parts of the country. Honestly, as a guy I'd always have a doubt in my mind if a woman is really into it or just doing it as her "wifely duty" as a result which would be a real turn off.

Not liking the corset business. As I've said before, natural is best :-P

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Re: "Accountability Filters" for Porn Addicts
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2014, 03:35:pm »
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Yeah, it took me years to accept the reality that women can become hooked on it.

Little annoys me more than the Victorian-era idea of women as sexless. That stuff caused so much damage, it's unreal. That -- along with corsets that disallowed normal breathing and movement, and other restrictions on women based on what was considered "lady-like"  -- are the causes of all the "hysteria" and "neurasthenia" cases of that era. And do you know how doctors treated hysteria and neurasthenia? Alongside diet and bedrest, etc., they treated it by giving women "hysterial paroxysms" in their doctors' offices. "Hysterical paroxysm" was brought about by -- massaging the genitals until the woman had a "fit." That's how vibrators were developed: doctors got tired of doing it by hand.

So women would go and get their "hysterical paroxysm" and leave the doctor's office feeling good for once. If women had been seen as the sexual creatures we are, husbands would've been doing that instead of doctors.


Speaking of corsets:


From "Science -  An Illustrated Journal," July-December 1887:





[   . [/   .

Her doctor: "In time, it won't be possible to move without the corset, or in the worst case, it won't be possible to move in general."

(38 cm = 14.9 inches)

 

Those pics are something comparable to the chinese and their tiny shoes for little girls/women. That's just some sick crap. I had no idea about the orgasms thing that's pretty jacked up. And these men who thought this up what morons. Yeah buddy we have orgasms too.  :eyeroll:
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