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Spooky7272

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Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« on: November 12, 2007, 11:48:am »
OK, what this woman did was just plain wrong. BUT... they pretty much teach the very same thing in public schools, so why all the hub-bub? From CourtTV
WARNING: NOT SUITABLE FOR SENSITIVE READERS
Woman prosecuted for giving her children too much information about sex                                                                

Amy Smalley thought she was being a good parent when she taught her children about sex.

Smalley told her children, ages 11 and 15, about her own sexual experiences, explained how to perform oral sex and even showed them a sex toy she owned. (TMI, Mom. TMI)

Smalley called it education. Prosecutors called it a crime.

Prosecutors in Columbia County, Wis., charged Smalley Feb. 19 with exposing children to harmful descriptions, a felony crime that carries a penalty of up to three years in prison. (If that were the case, why aren't public school "sex educators" in prison?)

Smalley's lawyer attempted to get the case thrown out, saying that sex education was protected free speech, but a Columbia County judge disagreed and sent the case to trial.

On Thursday, Smalley pleaded guilty and was sentenced to probation and ordered to attend counseling. She agreed to the plea to prevent her children from having to testify, Smalley told the Portage Daily Register.

         
In a motion to dismiss the case, Columbia County Public Defender Mark Gumz claimed that Smalley's discussion with her children fell under the umbrella of parental free speech.
         

"Ms. Smalley would be within her rights as a parent to educate her children in such a manner as she sees fit ... even if the state feels it improper," Gumz wrote.

The state, Gumz said, does not have the right to decide what parents can teach their children about sex.

"Health classes are a part of modern school curriculum, and President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky have forever changed the vernacular of the American public," he wrote.

Columbia County Assistant District Attorney Crystal Long could not be reached for comment.


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Gumz argued that, because Smalley's children were 11 and 15, they were near or at the age of puberty, making it acceptable for their mother to explain sex to them. But, according to the criminal complaint, the younger son objected. The boy told a counselor about the discussion and, when asked by police, said he preferred that his mother "keep that kind of information personal," according to the criminal complaint.

"This whole thing's been like a nightmare for me and I can't understand it," Smalley told the Daily Register after the plea.

Rev. Debra Haffner, a sexuality educator and director of the The Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing, said she was surprised to learn that Smalley had spoken to her son about specific sexual history, calling it "highly unusual."

"It's not smart parenting, but certainly not actionable," she said.

Haffner, the former president of the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, reinforced the importance of parents speaking with their children about sex, saying children need to hear the information from their parents, but she said the level of detail makes a difference.

"Parents may say, 'Oral sex is when you put your mouth on another person's genitals,'" Haffner said. "But, if you go into technique with your kids, saying 'Sometimes it feels good if you do this' ... I think there is a level of description that could be too much."

A main point made by Smalley's attorneys in arguing for the case to be dropped was that the law used to prosecute her was intended to prevent children from being exposed to pornography, and not meant for parents talking about sex with their kids.

"This was not some stranger who was telling children sordid stories for sexual gratification and titillation," Gumz said in his motion. (Is he sure about that?)




DesperatelySeeking

Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2007, 11:50:am »

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"Parents may say, 'Oral sex is when you put your mouth on another person's genitals,'"



PARENTS MAY SAY?!?!??!?!

*leaves room to vomit*


PaxVobiscum

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Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2007, 12:49:pm »
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OK, what this woman did was just plain wrong. BUT... they pretty much teach the very same thing in public schools, so why all the hub-bub?


I doubt you could find more than a few, if any, public schools that teach the sort of things this woman taught her children.  


I taught human reproduction as part of biology, at the high school and college level, but I certainly never taught anything about sexual techniques, or shared personal experiences.  
 

Here's a thorny situation for you to consider:

In my state, the incidence of HIV infection was rising rapidly among teenaged girls in the 1980s and the state health department learned that the reason was that lots of girls were having oral and anal sex to keep their boyfriends happy while avoiding pregnancy and still being able to say they were "virgins."  Seriously.  Apparently, they didn't realize they could get AIDS and other STDs while they were "technical virgins."

It was 1990 when a public health worker came to do a teachers' inservice workshop about AIDS and mentioned this.  It still amazes me.  Obviously, we needed to teach that oral and anal sex spread AIDS and STDs, but this was the end of the school year and I was leaving for a college faculty position so I didn't have to deal with teaching that, for which I am grateful.  

Should teachers who have this information and teach biology or sex education not tell their students that oral and anal sex spread AIDS and STDs?  To withhold the information could result in some children dying because they didn't know the dangers.  Unfortunately, kids need to be taught this at a much earlier age than high school.  My daughter attended a K-3 public school from 1975-77 and many years later she told me that kids would sneak off into the woods to have sex during recess.  In a K-3 school!!!

Unless your children have no contact whatsoever with other children, they will learn about sex and they'll probably learn a lot of things that aren't true.  You have to teach your kids about sex unless you're willing to allow someone else to do it for you, most likely another kid, possibly one trying to involve your child in sexual acts.

Mommie2Boys

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Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2007, 12:51:pm »

My mom never even explained oral sex to me! I don't think I'd have wanted her to! I appreciate that she was always extremely open and wanted us to go to her for our "sex ed", but she gave us the basics and necessities and that's IT. I learned all the gory details on my own as they came up. If my mom had brought out a sex toy or told me her experiences in detail I probably would've run from the room screaming and demanded therapy! :lol: That's just creepy in the extreme....


miss_fluffy

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2007, 01:16:pm »
I think I asked my Mom what oral sex is, and she told me when I was fairly young.  She certainly didn't need to give me any details for me to understand it!  I remember thinking it was so gross, I can't imagine how I might have reacted if she gave me personal details about it!  Heck, I would run away screaming if I got any personal details about that from my Mom now and I'm 33!!

Can you imagine getting married to a guy, and he tells you he learned technique from his Mom!      What does she think she was preparing them for?  I have no sympathy for her.
Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.– Buddha

Note: According to this precept, I find that Buddhism is NOT true.  I have tested and judged many things, and the only Truth I have found is in God's One True Church: The Catholic Church.

Dear Lord, I know I can live by Your Holy Will every moment of my life, because You have given me faith that Your Grace will enable me to.


Spooky7272

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2007, 02:59:pm »
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I doubt you could find more than a few, if any, public schools that teach the sort of things this woman taught her children.  
 
 

You think not? What about in Brookline, Mass where they handed out pornographic "how-to" booklets to kids as young as 13? It's highly disgusting and extremely explicit. You can see it here, but, again I urge caution as it is very, very explicit.

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Should teachers who have this information and teach biology or sex education not tell their students that oral and anal sex spread AIDS and STDs? To withhold the information could result in some children dying because they didn't know the dangers.

Children are rarely, if ever, told about the dangers both physically and psychologically, about having sex outside the confines of marriage. They're only told of "safe sex" using condoms and dental dams.

Young kids are exposed to homosexual propaganda in grade school, as evidenced here.

And here as well.
 

So, again, this woman gets prosecuted (and rightly) but school officials are exempt?






Cyriacus

Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 03:08:pm »

Until I was 16, I thought "oral sex" was a sort of dirty verbal act. And I went to public schools!


miss_fluffy

Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2007, 03:41:pm »

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You think not? What about in Brookline, Mass where they handed out pornographic "how-to" booklets to kids as young as 13? It's highly disgusting and extremely explicit. You can see it here, but, again I urge caution as it is very, very explicit.

I'm now thoroughly upset and disgusted.  Did this book get pulled?  I can't imagine how traumatic it might have been for children and parents to deal with this kind of filth.  These are things that young minds are not ready to know about.
Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true.– Buddha

Note: According to this precept, I find that Buddhism is NOT true.  I have tested and judged many things, and the only Truth I have found is in God's One True Church: The Catholic Church.

Dear Lord, I know I can live by Your Holy Will every moment of my life, because You have given me faith that Your Grace will enable me to.

PaxVobiscum

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Mom teaches kids too much about sex
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2007, 08:10:pm »
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I doubt you could find more than a few, if any, public schools that teach the sort of things this woman taught her children.

 

You think not? What about in Brookline, Mass where they handed out pornographic "how-to" booklets to kids as young as 13?


That's one example, and it's pushing the homosexual agenda, which is far different from what the woman did; she was talking to her own children about heterosexual sex.  If she'd just told them the facts of life, no one would be complaining.  Telling them about her sexual experiences was TMI and there was no need to show them a sex toy, either.  If she told them about oral sex without being asked, that was TMI, too.  

But it doesn't compare to homosexual propaganda being pushed by public schools on all their students.  Parents are going to have to sue to stop this kind of thing happening in the public schools.  As a teacher, I'd have refused to hand those booklets out to students.  That's why tenure for teachers is a good thing; I could have refused, though I might have been disciplined if the school board was really behind it.  No school board in this area would help the homosexual agenda, though, because they have to run for re-election.

I said I doubt you could find more than a few, if any, schools that teach the sort of things this women taught her children.  That booklet went far beyond what she said, as far as we know about what she said.  

How many more examples can you find of public schools doing this sort of thing?    There are an awful lot of public schools in the US.  I would guess that only a small percent of schools are giving out sexually explicit materials.  I don't think any should be handing out something like that booklet and doubt that many are.


Also, did you read what I said about kids in K-3 who were having sex in 1975-77???  This is in the buckle of the Baptist Bible Belt, too, where Bible readings and prayer are part of every school day in this county.  We're talking about 8-9 year-olds at the oldest!  

Kids are just a lot more aware of sex and more sexually active than most adults want to admit.  It wasn't like that when I was a kid in the Fifties but maybe we were the last innocent generation.  My son-in-law reports similar experiences in his elementary school in another state in the Seventies.  (He didn't report them to me, mind you, my daughter said he told her about it.)  He also told her her had friends whose parents would have sex and leave the bedroom door open while he and his friends were in the living room.  Who knows how much that goes on?

If you homeschool your kids, keep a sharp eye on who they play with/visit, and don't have tv or the internet (oops!  you all have the internet!) you may be able to keep them innocent about perversions but it's not going to be easy.  I think it's good to let kids know from an early age about where babies come from and that sex is a part of married love, so that they know what's normal and any twisted stuff they hear later won't impact them much.  I don't know how you keep kids from hearing about homosexuality today if they watch tv or read newspapers, etc., but you don't have to tell them anything beyond "some men love other men and some women love other women but the Bible and the Church teach us that this is wrong, that men are to love women and women to love men."  You don't have to tell them about homosexual acts.    

Spooky7272

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2007, 10:34:pm »
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Also, did you read what I said about kids in K-3 who were having sex in 1975-77???  This is in the buckle of the Baptist Bible Belt, too, where Bible readings and prayer are part of every school day in this county.  We're talking about 8-9 year-olds at the oldest!

I read it. Like you pointed out, that's just one instance. I certainly never had sex in grade school (this was 1980-81), nor knew anyone who did.
I don't have time for the research right now but there is explicit sex ed being taught not just in Massachusetts but also New York, Maryland, California and Michigan. Do teenagers really need to know how to put on a condom?!?