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Quaesumus

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Maniple in the Novus Ordo?
« on: August 20, 2008, 01:00:pm »
Concerning the maniple in the Novus Ordo, I've been told it was abrogated by Paul the VI (...of happy memory...*cough*), and I've also read that it was made optional, like from reading Fr. Z's blog. What am I to believe?

I've seen them used at St. Agnes Parish, when I'm in the St. Paul, Minneapolis area once or twice a year...


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Zyphane

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 01:25:pm »
As I understand it, the maniple was was made optional* during the sixties, and then never mentioned when the Novus Ordo missal was promulgated. There is no legal barrier to celebrating the new rite with a maniple, as far as I'm aware.


*Per the Second Instruction "For the Orderly Implementation of the Constitution of the Liturgy of the Second Vatican Council".

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Quaesumus

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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 02:16:pm »
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No offense, but I think such discussions should remain on WDTPRS.

...I think it's a legitimate question. Does the Fr. Z reference bother people? Because I can say, "I've heard other people say that it's been made optional."



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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 03:37:pm »
My parish uses the maniple as well. It's "optional".

cunctas_haereses

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2008, 03:56:pm »

I've never seen an NO presider wear a maniple since the NOM was installed.

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 04:50:pm »
I can remember women wearing veils to Mass back in the mid to late '60s. They pretty much disappeared when the guitar-strumming, hallelujah crowd took over in the early 70s. You occasionally see women wearing them at a Novus Ordo Mass, but they're often very confused individuals. I remember one lady who showed up at Mass here in Phoenix wearing a veil and shorts! I almost swallowed my "missalette."
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 04:57:pm »

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I can remember women wearing veils to Mass back in the mid to late '60s. They pretty much disappeared when the guitar-strumming, hallelujah crowd took over in the early 70s. You occasionally see women wearing them at a Novus Ordo Mass, but they're often very confused individuals. I remember one lady who showed up at Mass here in Phoenix wearing a veil and shorts! I almost swallowed my "missalette."

The veiled women at my NO parish are not confused people at all!  But they are usually about 789345345 years old.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 05:04:pm »
Per the Novus Ordo... what isn't optional?!!   


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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 05:07:pm »

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I can remember women wearing veils to Mass back in the mid to late '60s. They pretty much disappeared when the guitar-strumming, hallelujah crowd took over in the early 70s.

Yes, there were definitely hats, scarves and veils in the 60s, even the early 70s. In our diocese they faded out in the early to mid 70s, about the same time the Sisters who taught in our schools started modifying their habits.

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finegan

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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 05:10:pm »
"Now what's a maniple?"

I dunno. When I was a kid, I called them "doilies."

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