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Satori

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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 08:34:am »
From what little I've read about Elsie Dinsmore, I can't imagine any child reading her books unless forced by a calico-sack-wearing-homeschooling mother. It IS possible to find books for children that are moral and wholesome without being the literary equivalent of a putrid bottle of medicine. I hate didactic children's books.

Yes, The Water Babies is anti-Catholic, anti-Irish, anti-American, and anti- a few other things that I can't remember now. It's a charming, magical story buried in didacticism and sXXXXing prejudice. Try to get your hands on some of the exquisitely beautiful watercolor illustrations for the story, but leave the story itself alone.

(I do think they sell abridged versions of it now, though, and I'm sure the snarky comments about papists are gone along with the other bigotry. This, together with the abridged version of The Count of Monte Cristo, is the only abridged novel I would recommend anyone reading.)

To add to the list, I say avoid Susan's Cooper's The Dark Is Rising series. They aren't so much anti-religion as dismissive of religion, and their view of good and evil is woefully distorted.
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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2010, 11:37:pm »
calico sack wearing homeschool mother here....
I let my girls listen to water babies....ugggg


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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2010, 11:03:am »
the abridged version of The Count of Monte Cristo

I'm horrified.  One of my favorite books ever......I can't imagine reading a truncated version.

I have not read the Golden Compass series, but I remember that when the movie came out there was quite a bit of spirited discussion about it on this board.

I have not seen too many openly anti-Catholic kids books, but the problem with some of them is that they're steeped in the leftie, hug-a-tree, evil-white-man theology.  My son got his suggested summer reading list for 6th grade and he doesn't want to read any of them, and I don't blame him; sample plot summary:  "Little Joey's grandpa dies and a talking caterpillar persuades him to begin the healing process by caring for the environment".   BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!  C'mon, this is an 11-year-old boy, can you toss him a story about a fighter pilot or a pirate captain?!??!

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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2010, 12:27:pm »
I remember when I was reading "Are you there God, It's me, Margaret", I originally thought the "special place" that she described giving her comfort at night was a birthmark or something like that.  It took me awhile to figure it out.  I hate that book.
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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2010, 02:42:pm »
You guys would want to add "His Dark Materials" by Phillip Pullman in there Catholic Church is the villain in the end god is killed.

Also Percy Jackson might be on your lists. Greek Gods are real Jesus doesn't exist.

Yes, Phillip Pullman is on record as trying to promote atheism through these books.  I would consider having my older children (mid-teens, perhaps) read them and then analyzing them to examine his techniques.  He is fairly blatant and could help prepare children to see more subtle anti-Catholicism. 

Percy Jackson didn't bother me.  It just seemed like an alternate universe rather than a commentary on reality.

Older books tend to have a different sort of anti-Catholicism than modern ones.  For example, Louisa May Alcott, has the occasional anti-Catholic remark (usually in the context of looking down on Irish immigrants) in her stories. I still let my children read her books, but try to point out that sort of thing them.

Books tend to be products of their cultures that reflect their prejudices and values.  With young children I try to protect them from ideas that are contrary to Catholic faith and morals, but as my children grow older, I want to teach them to recognize and defend themselves from such ideas.

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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2010, 03:33:pm »
calico sack wearing homeschool mother here....
I let my girls listen to water babies....ugggg




Nothing against homeschooling mothers, by the way -- or calico -- you know the kind of person I'm talking about.

You let them LISTEN to the Water Babies? Do you have a book on tape?

Fluffy: The book you're thinking of is Deenie, and it soiled my once-innocent mind.
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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2010, 05:09:am »
Harry Potter.

Good Catholics should only read good literature, not the drivel of those who can't construct a plot.

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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2010, 08:30:am »
Harry Potter.

Good Catholics should only read good literature, not the drivel of those who can't construct a plot.

The plot is well-constructed, it's the writing itself that could use a clean up.
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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2010, 08:41:am »
Harry Potter.

Good Catholics should only read good literature, not the drivel of those who can't construct a plot.

The plot is well-constructed, it's the writing itself that could use a clean up.

The word revolves around Harry Potter, including the creation of a sport which he can be the only significant player by virtue of hand waving (no actual skill involved). The plot is very contrived and obviously is written specifically as a vehicle for a hero who doesn't have any particular personal worth.

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Re: Anti-Catholic children's books
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2010, 09:04:am »
Harry Potter.

Good Catholics should only read good literature, not the drivel of those who can't construct a plot.

The plot is well-constructed, it's the writing itself that could use a clean up.

The word revolves around Harry Potter, including the creation of a sport which he can be the only significant player by virtue of hand waving (no actual skill involved). The plot is very contrived and obviously is written specifically as a vehicle for a hero who doesn't have any particular personal worth.

What you describe above (which I think is a very odd way of looking at it) is not the plot. The plot is not contrived, it is classic. Now, you may believe that it is not an interesting plot or that it is not done well, but that doesn't change the fact that it has a plot. The thing is, you have to read the whole series to see the plot unfold, so you cannot make this judgment from reading the first few books (which, by the way, I think are the weakest books in the series).
"Skeptics will always prevail. God gives us just enough to seek Him, and never enough to fully find Him. To do more would inhibit our freedom, and our freedom is very dear to God." --Ron Hansen, "Mariette in Ecstasy"