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Eastern Sedevacantists?
« on: February 16, 2006, 01:38:pm »

Is there such a thing as Eastern Rite sedevacantists? Or is sedevacantism only embraced by Latin Rites? Wouldn't their existance be neccesary for a church to be universal?

"For, if this expression (of universal bishop) is suffered to be allowably used, the honour of all patriarchs is denied: and while he that is called Universal perishes per chance in his error, no bishop will be found to have remained in a state of truth."
 -Pope St. Gregory the Great

"For no one of us has set himself up to be bishop of bishops, or attempted with tyrannical dread to force his colleagues to obedience to him, since every bishop has, for the license of liberty and power, his own will, and as he cannot be judged by another, so neither can he judge another."
-St. Cyprian of Carthage
"Well let us suppose that those bishops who decided the case at Rome were not good judges, there still remained a plenary Council of the universal Church, in which these judges themselves might be put on their defense; so that, if they were convicted of a mistake their decisions might be reversed." 
-St. Augustine


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Eastern Sedevacantists?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2006, 02:07:pm »

There are no Eastern rite SVs, as far as I know.


However, there is a Bishop from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church who converted recently to the Catholic Church, bringing some of his priests with him (there were 55 under his authority).  He converted to the Church accepting the SV idea, due to the fact that the NO is clearly not Catholicism.


His story can be found here:


It makes sense that there are no Eastern rite SVs, or so few that the Western rite ones do not know of them, as the liturgical insanity which made many look more deeply into V2, etc., did not actually touch them; further, as the Eastern rite Catholics clearly, in some measure, do not even bother about the so-called "Western-oriented" Councils (the last 14 straight or so), it makes sense that most would not bother about V2, either. Many SVs in the West fled immediately to the Eastern rites first, as they wanted a valid Mass.  The Mass may be called the "face" of the Catholic religion, in the sense that this is where most Catholics interact with their religion and its duties.  People saw the "face" was being smashed, so then they started to look more deeply.


As for the need to have them "on board", there is no strict need, although the more the merrier.


Eastern Sedevacantists?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2006, 03:44:pm »

Yes there is an Eastern Rite Sedevacantist Catholic Bishop,

 Bishop Yuri Yurchyk of Donetsk, Ukraine





He was formerly a member of the Kiev Patriarchate Ukrainian Orthodox Church.  He is thus of the Ruthenian Byzantine Rite which uses Old Church Slavonic. He resides in Ukraine along with several of his priests, who converted from Eastern Orthodoxy to Eastern Rite Catholicism too.


He is a convinced sedevacantist.


I do not know of any other non-converted Eastern Rite Catholics who adhere to the sedevacantist theory. Maybe the explanation by gladius veritatis suffices: they are much more Eastward oriented. Too much in my opinion - at least in the case of Vatican II. But the Maronite Catholics are no longer escaping the sword of Damocles (Vatican II) about their heads: their ancient Syriac (Aramaic) Antiochene liturgies are being revised right now.

„Ja, Ja, wie Gott es will. Gott lohne es Euch. Gott schütze das liebe Vaterland. Für Ihn weiterarbeiten... oh, Du lieber Heiland!” ("Yes, Yes, as God wills it. May God repay it to you. May God protect the dear fatherland. Go on working for him... oh, you dear Savior!") - Clemens August Cardinal von Galen, his last words.