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National Catholic Register Wrote:

JPII Beatification in 2010?

Posted by Tom McFeely

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:06 PM
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(CNS/Reuters)
According to the Italian daily La Stampa, John Paul II will be beatified on April 2, 2010 — the fifth anniversary of his death.
Reporter Giacomo Galeazzi reports that thanks to an acceleration in the beatification process, documents pertaining to John Paul’s cause, called the “positio,” have already been forwarded by a commission of theologians to be examined by cardinals.
“This is very good news,” says Msgr. Tadeusz Pieronek, the Polish priest who has been responsible for the diocesan phase of the beatification process in Krakow, La Stampa reported.
La Stampa adds that in early March, John Paul II’s former secretary, Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz of Krakow, said that the beatification process would be “finished in a few months.”
According to Cardinal Dziwisz, Pope Benedict XVI “wants to close the cause as soon as it is practical — the world demands it.”
La Stampa’s Galeazzi reports that in the last ten days the work of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints has undergone “a marked acceleration,” and consequently the late Pope will be proclaimed Blessed “earlier than expected.” He writes that only “new and unforeseen elements” could delay it.
The Vatican has neither officially confirmed or denied the news, which originated in the Polish media.
Pope Benedict XVI opened John Paul II’s beatification process soon after becoming Pope, and waived the rule that causes should not be investigated until five years after a candidate’s death. At the end of the diocesan phase, a miracle was discovered of a French nun, allegedly cured of Parkinson’s disease after praying to John Paul II.
However, not everyone at the Vatican is happy that John Paul II’s cause is proceeding so swiftly, mainly because there is still much the Church hasn’t been able to investigate about him. And the critics argue that the Church won’t know these details for some time because certain documents will be kept locked in the Vatican archives for many years to come.
“If the Vatican moves too quickly, it will be in danger of beatifying a personality rather than the person himself,” cautioned one official to the Register.
Still, those who worked with John Paul have little doubt about his sanctity.
“For me, John Paul II is a saint,” the former prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, Cardinal José Saraiva Martins, has said.
— Edward Pentin
http://www.ncregister.com/daily/jpii_bea...n_in_2010/

What really annoys me about this whole deal is that officials acknowledge they haven't (or won't) be able to investigate everything about him.  Yet, when it comes to Pius XII, they pour over EVERY document (and have probably gone over them multiple times).  When there's a public challenge to Pius XII's cause, the Congregation at least acknowledges it.  I'm not saying the Vatican needs to make the documents public (just as they don't need to release the documents relating to Pius XII).  But please Lord, put a challenger on his case.  He certainly had a higher profile than Mother Theresa (and the Vatican was willing to give her Christopher Hitchens).

He certainly suffered more, and surpassed most of us in terms of personal sanctity.  However, that doesn't mean he's a Saint.
I guess I should have my Doc write up that I shouldn't have been able to carry my daughter to term with my thyroid issues, and send it to the Vatican in support of him becoming a saint.

Even she says it was a miracle that my daughter is here and has no issues from me having uncontrolled grave's disease while pregnant

Quote:He certainly suffered more, and surpassed most of us in terms of personal sanctity.  However, that doesn't mean he's a Saint.

So personal holiness has nothing to do with being a saint? Come again?
 
 



didishroom Wrote:So personal holiness has nothing to do with being a saint? Come again?

There is also one's vocation in life. Wojtyla was a pope. His life must be judged as a whole from a lay man, to priest, to pope.

Pope John Paul II's papacy was a disaster. He was a terrible administrator. There was no discipline or governance is his papacy. The Church was turning to ruins. The measure of a Pope is how healthy the Church and faith was during his tenure.

Karol Wojtla's personal holiness is not enough for sainthood, because of the failure of his papacy. He must be judged as a whole.
There is also doubt to the orthodoxy of his thinking and theology from his time as bishop and pope.

Only when the Church is healthy again, the apostasy is over, and the heretics in the hierarchy are gone can the Church look at the people in our times. We need another fifty years to make a judgement on clerics like Wojtyla.  
I agree that Pope John Paul II had a disasterous pontificate but so did Pope St. Celestine. He was only one of two to abdicate the papacy.
Why rush it? If he is worthy of this, then he will still be worthy after they take their time to do this right. The Vatican risks nothing though waiting and making sure that all the documents are checked to make sure that his cause is a worthy one.

Personally, I think that some of the things that occured during his pontificate do indicate that there are good reasons for taking their time rather than rushing. While JP2 had a very holy way about him, that alone does not make a saint.
didishroom Wrote:I agree that Pope John Paul II had a disasterous pontificate but so did Pope St. Celestine. He was only one of two to abdicate the papacy.

Albeit, Europe didn't descend into widespread apostasy during the reign of Pope St. Celestine...
Who is next?  Hans Kung perhaps.  What about St. Roger of LA?
Someone one AQ brought up a good point:  April 2, 2010 is Good Friday.  Apparently this well informed source forgot you can't have a Beatification Mass on the one day of the year Mass isn't celebrated...

If he's going to be beatified on the day he died, it won't be until 2011.

ggreg Wrote:Who is next?  Hans Kung perhaps.  What about St. Roger of LA?
They are not dead yet, so there is still hope for them.  Let us pray that one day those two will be saints.
Saint Dismas had a late conversion.  Saint Hippolytus was a schismatic and an anti-pope until he converted near the end of his life. 

What matters for a Catholic is how he or she dies.  If a Catholic dies in the state of grace, that Catholic will eventually end up in Heaven.  Regardless of what happened during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, if he died in the state of grace, he will go to Heaven.  That's all that matters.
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