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I was checking out a book called White Devil by Stephen Brumwell, and found this passage on pg. 34:

It was not bravery alone that underpinned the Jesuits success: unlike the Puritans, they did not insist that Indian converts should abandon all of their own customs and beliefs. Although baptised as Christians, the so-called mission Indians retained their cultural indentity; as a result, by the end of the Seventeenth Century the Jesuits were ministering to Indians from Nova Scotia to the Mississippi.

I always wondered why the N. American "Indians" tended to side with the French Catholics as opposed to the English Puritans and now I have a clue. This was very pleasing to me. so Catholicism works within traditional cultures very well. This author seems to be implying that the fanatical Old Testament obsessed Puritans wanted, in accord with their stated desire to eliminate any hint of Catholicism (Europe?) from their new faith, but also wanted the Indians to abandon their culture.

So a good religion will mitigate even the harsher aspects of human nature like colonialism. I was as pleased to read this as I was when I read that the Pope allowed American Catholics to join labor unions due to the harshness of American style capitalism.

By the way, I love this new "stink and fresh" button I see on my screen. Now instead of hurling insults over the screen and ignoring people, you can really rub it in by lowering a person's rating! Apparently, I don't smell like anything at all.  LOL (or maybe you aren't going to waste a second of your life to tell me so?  ;D)


 
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I love this fact of our history.  Both American and Catholic.

It seems that the Jesuits are in reverse now.  They themselves are becoming part of the modern culture while giving up their Catholic traditions.
The name of this practice is inculturation. The Jesuits used this everywhere. Related to China Clement XI condemned it in the Encyclical Ex illa die. (1715).

The inculturation certainly has some merits, and was one of the principles of Vatican II. Our tradition is 'inculturated' into the abcient Greco-Roman and Jewish civilizations, so why not extend it to other civilizations. Due to the condemnation and the possibility of abuses certain caution is needed.

laszlo


(06-06-2009, 02:25 AM)mistman Wrote: [ -> ]I was checking out a book called White Devil by Stephen Brumwell, and found this passage on pg. 34:

It was not bravery alone that underpinned the Jesuits success: unlike the Puritans, they did not insist that Indian converts should abandon all of their own customs and beliefs. Although baptised as Christians, the so-called mission Indians retained their cultural indentity; as a result, by the end of the Seventeenth Century the Jesuits were ministering to Indians from Nova Scotia to the Mississippi.

I always wondered why the N. American "Indians" tended to side with the French Catholics as opposed to the English Puritans and now I have a clue. This was very pleasing to me. so Catholicism works within traditional cultures very well. This author seems to be implying that the fanatical Old Testament obsessed Puritans wanted, in accord with their stated desire to eliminate any hint of Catholicism (Europe?) from their new faith, but also wanted the Indians to abandon their culture.

So a good religion will mitigate even the harsher aspects of human nature like colonialism. I was as pleased to read this as I was when I read that the Pope allowed American Catholics to join labor unions due to the harshness of American style capitalism.

By the way, I love this new "stink and fresh" button I see on my screen. Now instead of hurling insults over the screen and ignoring people, you can really rub it in by lowering a person's rating! Apparently, I don't smell like anything at all.  LOL (or maybe you aren't going to waste a second of your life to tell me so?  ;D)


 
God doesn't want us to give up the good or "neutral" things of our (non-Christian) cultures, He just wills that we accept Him and His Holy Roman Catholic Church and Divine Faith. Culture is not needed for salvation, Faith, Hope and Charity inside the Catholic Church is.

Truth, Good and Beauty needs to be heeded, in the order of nature as well.
The Catholic Church has done far more for American Indians than any Casino operation.

In the areas that were colonized by Spain and Portugal (Catholic nations) natives were, for the most part, treated far better than in areas settled by the British and Dutch colonists, with intermarriage taking place far more often, too.
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(06-06-2009, 10:13 AM)didishroom Wrote: [ -> ][Image: 499675412_8814dbf23a.jpg]
Awesome pic, didi!
Thanks. The priest himself is the first full blooded Blackfoot Indian to be ordianed. His birth name was Ksistaki-Poka, though was known as Fr. John Brown. 
(06-06-2009, 02:25 AM)mistman Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently, I don't smell like anything at all.

Now you smell fresh (at least at the time of this post. Smile
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