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http://www.ucanews.com/2009/07/16/cathol...-families/

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UE, Vietnam (UCAN) -- Catholic villagers in Thua Thien-Hue province say they have tried their best to follow Church teaching on the use of artificial birth control methods in the face of the government's two-child policy.

Huong Toan villagers, just like Vietnamese elsewhere in the country, are required to have no more than two children per family since 1994, when village authorities launched a nationwide family planning program. Families with more than two children have to pay rice to the government as a fine.

Many local Catholics say they have done their best to remain true to Church teaching but some have had to resort to using contraceptives later on as they could not afford the hefty fines.

Catherine Pham Thi Thanh, 44, said that since 1996, she has been fined a total of 3,800 kilograms of rice for having six children.

Thanh, who produces rice alcohol and raises pigs to support her family, said she was fined 300 kilograms for her third child, 600 kilograms for the fourth, 900 kilograms for the fifth and 2,000 kilograms of rice for the sixth. Her children range from two to 15 years.

She pointed out that her family makes an annual profit of only 700 kilograms of rice from their 1,000 square-meter farmland the local government grants them.

Thanh said that in 2007, she decided to use an intrauterine device to save her family from having to pay 3,800 kilograms of rice if she were to have a seventh child.

Thanh, who has studied only until the first grade, said she knows about natural family planning methods accepted by the Church, but is unable to practice them.

She recalled that in 2005, local village authorities confiscated the possessions of a family who could not afford to pay the fine for having more than two children.

Another villager, Anna Pham Thi The, 50, said she has seven daughters aged 2-29 years. The, who produces rice alcohol and raises pigs, said she is willing to be fined for having more children because her husband wants a son.

According to sources, local people who have two children have been asked to use artificial contraceptive or undergo vasectomies free of charge.

Father Joseph Nguyen Van Chanh, Huong Toan parish priest, said 90 percent of his 1,200 parishioners have agreed to pay fines as a way to be faithful to Church teaching. Local Catholics are taught natural family planning methods during marriage preparation courses, he noted.

Some local Catholics said Father Chanh is asking for donations from benefactors to support local people with large families. Huong Toan village has about 14,000 people.

According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, "'every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible' is intrinsically evil."

Meanwhile, local state media reported that Pham Ngoc Minh, executive director of Vietnam Airlines, was chided by the prime minister recently for having a third child.

Vietnam, with a population close to 86 million, has an annual increase of 1.12 million people, according to media.
That's terrible. But, unfortunately, people being punished for follow the Church is nothing new... I'm surprised the local Bishop does not do something about the situation?
(07-16-2009, 03:55 PM)BrevisVir55 Wrote: [ -> ]That's terrible. But, unfortunately, people being punished for follow the Church is nothing new... I'm surprised the local Bishop does not do something about the situation?
They arrest priests and clergy all the time.

What can be done?
(07-16-2009, 03:57 PM)Rosarium Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-16-2009, 03:55 PM)BrevisVir55 Wrote: [ -> ]That's terrible. But, unfortunately, people being punished for follow the Church is nothing new... I'm surprised the local Bishop does not do something about the situation?
They arrest priests and clergy all the time.

What can be done?

That's very true, and I have absolutely no idea...call the Pope, perhaps?
Fat lot of good he did for the underground Chinese Catholics.

I don't see why he'd stick up for the Vietnamese any better.

They have a lot of rivers in Vietnam to be sold down.

You weren't there man.....
I have to say I admire these families, willing to pay the fines. I do wonder why the one woman said she knew about NFP but was unable to practice it, though.  ???
swore i read this someplace else?
sure i have!
i must of
o rim physic which some say i am.
(07-18-2009, 08:29 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: [ -> ]swore i read this someplace else?
sure i have!
i must of
o rim physic which some say i am.

You did indeed. I posted it. I wanted to start a paypal to send money to the families being punished to help offset the fines.
(07-18-2009, 10:49 PM)Iuvenalis Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-18-2009, 08:29 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: [ -> ]swore i read this someplace else?
sure i have!
i must of
o rim physic which some say i am.

You did indeed. I posted it. I wanted to start a paypal to send money to the families being punished to help offset the fines.

The fines are in rice, and they make the rice (they can't buy it). Sending money through paypal probably wouldn't help.
(07-18-2009, 10:51 PM)Rosarium Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-18-2009, 10:49 PM)Iuvenalis Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-18-2009, 08:29 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: [ -> ]swore i read this someplace else?
sure i have!
i must of
o rim physic which some say i am.

You did indeed. I posted it. I wanted to start a paypal to send money to the families being punished to help offset the fines.

The fines are in rice, and they make the rice (they can't buy it). Sending money through paypal probably wouldn't help.

Thanks for weighing in on both threads with your obtuse completely-missing-the-point-ness.

So, they grow the rice, and a certain amount of rice is their 'profit rice.' (that is, they can sell it for *cash* not just subsistence). The article even says this, I even put it in bold.

Quote:Thanh, who produces rice alcohol and raises pigs to support her family, said she was fined 300 kilograms for her third child, 600 kilograms for the fourth, 900 kilograms for the fifth and 2,000 kilograms of rice for the sixth. Her children range from two to 15 years.

She pointed out that her family makes an annual profit of only 700 kilograms of rice from their 1,000 square-meter farmland the local government grants them.

Got that? For example, she only makes a profit of 700 kg of rice (to sell). The fines for the last 2 children were more than their profit, meaning they were losing money on their farming that last 2 times they had kids (because there was thus less to sell)

Another family:
Quote:She recalled that in 2005, local village authorities confiscated the possessions of a family who could not afford to pay the fine for having more than two children.

They're using birth control out of fear of the fine. The fine is working.

Now try to use your brain to actually connect dots once in a while, instead of being willfully obtuse. It's not entertaining, it's not 'cute' to behave like a deranged Brent Spiner reject.

Now remove your head from your @$S.
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