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(11-23-2009, 04:39 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 04:32 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 04:29 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 07:14 AM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]Linked is the Ordinary text of the 3d Edition of the Roman Missal. The whole "for many/for all" issue is now a moot point.

At the very least, this shuts down the years of debate over invalidity of the Mass due to "for all/for many".  Now traditional Catholics get get on with more serious matters.

Yes, because the invalidity of the Mass is a "minor" matter.

It's not that it was a "minor" matter, but there was sufficient evidence to convincingly show that "for all" did not invalidate the Mass. The whole "intend what the Church intends" problem was always ten times more serious.

Sadly, the intention problem will continue since most clergymen are material heretics to begin with.
Will better composers now compose better Mass Ordinary settings for the new translation? 
(11-23-2009, 05:48 PM)Miquelot Wrote: [ -> ]Will better composers now compose better Mass Ordinary settings for the new translation? 
No.  There was a big stink, people weren't allowed to post texts from ICEL and music in a free way on websites due to copyright, so while OCP was plugging away at music, various internet communities devoted to sacred music were treading water, unable to share their work.
Well this is of course Part 1 of the reform of the NO.

We still have to deal with the Orientation of the Priest, lectors, extraordinary ministers, kiss of peace and all those annoying novelties that add nothing to reverence of the Mass. Oh and let us not forget the RE-introduction of Latin.
(11-23-2009, 07:21 PM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]Well this is of course Part 1 of the reform of the NO.

We still have to deal with the Orientation of the Priest, lectors, extraordinary ministers, kiss of peace and all those annoying novelties that add nothing to reverence of the Mass. Oh and let us not forget the RE-introduction of Latin.

He has had four years to fix these things and it is a total disgrace that these abuses continue. The salvation of souls is at stake and nothing changes.
Louis_Martin Wrote:No.  There was a big stink, people weren't allowed to post texts from ICEL and music in a free way on websites due to copyright, so while OCP was plugging away at music, various internet communities devoted to sacred music were treading water, unable to share their work.

This is unheard of in the history of Christianity, to copyright liturgical texts. Very bizarre. It only gives ammo to those who say Christianity is all about money. Congregations literally cannot pray without paying companies.
(11-23-2009, 07:33 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 07:21 PM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]Well this is of course Part 1 of the reform of the NO.

We still have to deal with the Orientation of the Priest, lectors, extraordinary ministers, kiss of peace and all those annoying novelties that add nothing to reverence of the Mass. Oh and let us not forget the RE-introduction of Latin.

He has had four years to fix these things and it is a total disgrace that these abuses continue. The salvation of souls is at stake and nothing changes.

If by "HE" you mean the Pope dont look for much of these things to change he has stated that the Kiss of Peace is one of the best things to come from the new missal. Its all lipstick on a pig.
Its all lipstick on a pig.
Shoot...you beat me to the "lipstick on a pig" quote. :P
(11-23-2009, 08:36 PM)Baskerville Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 07:33 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-23-2009, 07:21 PM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]Well this is of course Part 1 of the reform of the NO.

We still have to deal with the Orientation of the Priest, lectors, extraordinary ministers, kiss of peace and all those annoying novelties that add nothing to reverence of the Mass. Oh and let us not forget the RE-introduction of Latin.

He has had four years to fix these things and it is a total disgrace that these abuses continue. The salvation of souls is at stake and nothing changes.

If by "HE" you mean the Pope dont look for much of these things to change he has stated that the Kiss of Peace is one of the best things to come from the new missal. Its all lipstick on a pig.

Last time I checked he was trying to backdoor it out of the Missal. Or put it in a spot that was hardly noticeable. Specially get it away from the Consecration.
(11-23-2009, 07:57 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]
Louis_Martin Wrote:No.  There was a big stink, people weren't allowed to post texts from ICEL and music in a free way on websites due to copyright, so while OCP was plugging away at music, various internet communities devoted to sacred music were treading water, unable to share their work.

This is unheard of in the history of Christianity, to copyright liturgical texts. Very bizarre. It only gives ammo to those who say Christianity is all about money. Congregations literally cannot pray without paying companies.
indeed copyright is a recent invention. It's the equivalent of a child calling dibs on something. I can't think of a reason to believe that my ideas are so great that no one else will think of them.  But in this age where people would claim somethig that is not their own to make a profit, perhaps it is necessary.

But liturgical texts?  And why such a restrictive license?  Couldn't we have just restricted their modification to preserve their integrity?
It's also sad that in our day there is such an industry that feeds on mass-producing bad liturgy and creatig their own cartel of workshops to maintain its presence in our churches. 
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