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Just running this idea by here.

Seeing as it seems to be evident that a large percentage of the clergy is homosexual. Would it be possible for a group of concerned Catholics to formally question their priests to determine whether they are homosexual or if they are aware of other homosexuals currently serving as priests.

I honestly think that a little bit of inspection will expose a lot of priests, bishops and perhaps higher. After the network is exposed and they start ratting each other out they can be expelled. In fact they would not have to be formally expelled. The parishiners would just need to know the info and the priest would have a hard time sticking around.

Even though there are a lot good priests out there they should be exposing the wolves in sheep clothing.
How long can we we wait for the hierarchy to take action?



(01-03-2010, 09:01 PM)artificial person Wrote: [ -> ]Just running this idea by here.

Seeing as it seems to be evident that a large percentage of the clergy is homosexual. Would it be possible for a group of concerned Catholics to formally question their priests to determine whether they are homosexual or if they are aware of other homosexuals currently serving as priests.

I honestly think that a little bit of inspection will expose a lot of priests, bishops and perhaps higher. After the network is exposed and they start ratting each other out they can be expelled. In fact they would not have to be formally expelled. The parishiners would just need to know the info and the priest would have a hard time sticking around.

Even though there are a lot good priests out there they should be exposing the wolves in sheep clothing.
How long can we we wait for the hierarchy to take action?

That would be improper. It would require proof of misconduct, and anyone with such proof should take proper steps. This is not how Inquisitions work. They are properly organised, not ad hoc witch hunts.
"witch hunt"? Not talking about burning anyone at the stake here.

Of course it would have to be planned. But it would basically amount to asking your priest whether he was a homosexual or if he knew of any homosexuals in the church.

As for proof of misconduct, these homosexuals don't operate in a vaccum. If there is scandal people know about it.


(01-03-2010, 09:01 PM)artificial person Wrote: [ -> ]Just running this idea by here.

Seeing as it seems to be evident that a large percentage of the clergy is homosexual.

I wouldn't go that far- although it is a problem that needs to be rooted out.
(01-03-2010, 09:28 PM)artificial person Wrote: [ -> ]"witch hunt"? Not talking about burning anyone at the stake here.

Of course it would have to be planned. But it would basically amount to asking your priest whether he was a homosexual or if he knew of any homosexuals in the church.

As for proof of misconduct, these homosexuals don't operate in a vaccum. If there is scandal people know about it.

Witch hunt refers not to the punishment, but the actual hunt for witches, hence, the name. Witch burning would refer to the practice of burning witches.

Quote:In modern terminology 'witch-hunt' has acquired usage referring to the act of seeking and persecuting any perceived enemy, particularly when the search is conducted using extreme measures and with little regard to actual guilt or innocence. It is used whether or not it is sanctioned by the government, or merely occurs within the "court of public opinion".

Most working criminal investigations do not put the burden of proof on the accused. Walking up and forcing one to defend oneself is very unChristian and very suspect. Forcing one to deny an allegation is almost as effective as admitting to an allegation. Anyone could deny it, so how effective would that be? Would it be a meaningless oath, which wrong-doers have no problem taking? Would it rely on "informers"? Would it rely on admission of guilt (yeah, that works...)?

Are you a sodomite? Do you sexual abuse young girls or boys? Do you take part in Satanic rituals? Could you imagine any serious Catholic asking another those questions, especially to a priest? Should you go into a confession and expect a priest to interrogate you?

Greater care needs to be taken in the seminaries and in not overlooking actual evidence. We do not need such tactics based on fear and mistrust.
You really don't have to ask anyone if he is a homosexual. For one thing, there actually is no problem with a person who may have homosexual orientation unless he were sexually active being a priest. His sins would be the normal priestly sins of struggling against illicit sexual desires, dirty thoughts, and since a heterosexual priest is also sinning should he give in to lustful desires (including entertaining fantasies), they are morally equal.

A priest is supposed to be, essentially, sexless. But of course we know they are not sexless, but we do expect that they are more highly self-controlled than other men.

Homosexuality, like other sexual sins, is a sin when it happens. A man who finds himself facing homosexual temptation has to be free to go to confession and get help to resist that temptation the same as a man who is tempted to bother young girls or cheat on his wife.

So, if you want to yell at me that I am supporting homosexuality (I am not, I abhor active homosexuals of either stripe) stop a minute and actually picture HOW such an inquisition would be carried out.  You would be on a search without cause, right? A preventive maneuver, right? So you would not be waiting until someone filed a complaint aobout an incident of inappropriate touching, etc. You'd have to march each young priest into an interview room and do what? Ask him to fantasize for you? Show him dirty pictures while you watch his pupils dilate?


How could such an Inquisition fail to be any less sinful than even the worst culprit it is designed to sniff out?
(01-03-2010, 09:01 PM)artificial person Wrote: [ -> ]Even though there are a lot good priests out there they should be exposing the wolves in sheep clothing.
How long can we we wait for the hierarchy to take action?

Its long been well known that only 1% can make the other 99% look bad.

First, consider "an enemy has done this".
Second, consider that there are many guilty "clergy" who have not yet been discovered.
Third, consider that it is quite probable that at least 50% of the accused perverts are completely innocent but have suffered prosecution unjustly ------ reference the "First" consideration.
Fourth, welcome to the revolution - better late than never.



(01-03-2010, 09:42 PM)littlerose Wrote: [ -> ]So, if you want to yell at me that I am supporting homosexuality (I am not, I abhor active homosexuals of either stripe) stop a minute and actually picture HOW such an inquisition would be carried out.  You would be on a search without cause, right? A preventive maneuver, right? So you would not be waiting until someone filed a complaint aobout an incident of inappropriate touching, etc. You'd have to march each young priest into an interview room and do what? Ask him to fantasize for you? Show him dirty pictures while you watch his pupils dilate?

How could such an Inquisition fail to be any less sinful than even the worst culprit it is designed to sniff out?

It is, like other such hunts, based on fear and mistrust.

Who are you friends? Who are their friends? If you rat them out, we'll leave you alone. Be an informer! Inform on your friends and family! All accusations taken seriously and all accused will face the same interrogation until none are left!
(01-03-2010, 09:42 PM)littlerose Wrote: [ -> ]You really don't have to ask anyone if he is a homosexual. For one thing, there actually is no problem with a person who may have homosexual orientation unless he were sexually active being a priest. His sins would be the normal priestly sins of struggling against illicit sexual desires, dirty thoughts, and since a heterosexual priest is also sinning should he give in to lustful desires (including entertaining fantasies), they are morally equal.

Ok, lets just change the question to "Have you ever participated in physical homosexual activity?"
(01-03-2010, 09:52 PM)artificial person Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, lets just change the question to "Have you ever participated in physical homosexual activity?"

You are suggesting that lay people ask priests this? What are the answers accepted? Do they "have to" answer at all?

Can they just kick you out of their parish, and if they have the authority, excommunicate you? Would that be taken as a sign of their misdoings?
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