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That's awesome, Jayne. Your poem reminds me of Jesus feeding the multitudes the loaves and fishes. I wonder how many in the crowd were moms and babes.

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(01-10-2010, 07:07 PM)Satori Wrote: [ -> ]I've been wondering about this myself. It's gotten to the point that I miss Mass on the days that I would have to take my toddler to church by myself because I can no longer handle her at Mass alone.

It will get better, Rebecca.
Miquelot Wrote:If one brings a fussy infant to church, how much of Mass may one miss (with all the exiting and returning, distraction, etc.) before your attendance fails to meet your Sunday obligation and is there a point one should abstain from receiving Holy Communion on such a day? 

It's because of this kind of legalism that I think the whole concept of "holy days of obligation" should be chucked. It serves to make the devout paranoid about how much their worship "counted." The only people who care about such holy days are amongst the pious anyway, so why cause complexes amongst the faithful?
(01-10-2010, 07:28 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]It's because of this kind of legalism that I think the whole concept of "holy days of obligation" should be chucked. It serves to make the devout paranoid about how much their worship "counted." The only people who care about such holy days are amongst the pious anyway, so why cause complexes amongst the faithful?

Well its lucky that your not in charge of that department.....oh wait I guess you were really, hence why we are in this obligation free, touchy feely, post conciliar mess.
(01-10-2010, 05:14 PM)tradmaverick Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-10-2010, 05:09 PM)glgas Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-10-2010, 05:00 PM)Miquelot Wrote: [ -> ]If one bring a fussy infant to church, how much of Mass may one miss (with all the exiting and returning, distraction, etc.) before your attendance fails to meet your Sunday obligation and is there a point one should abstain from receiving Holy Communion on such a day? 

1./ Caring about infants is legal excuse to miss the Sunday or Holy Day obligation

2./ The valid presence required from the beginning of the Offertory to the Communion of the priest inclusive

3./ Imho the presence in the crying area is presence, and one changing in the restroom does not breaks the presence


Cant believe Im saying this....but glgas got this one right!    :o

If you have an infant....dont worry about it. Its legitamte even to stay at home if necessary

Yes, this is true.  Although for many moms infancy isn't always an issue ... except when the tooth is coming :).  It is the toddler years that seem to be the most trying for parents. I'd say take them to daily mass when possible.  I did this with my sons 'cause I'll be damned if I was missing mass. Going to the library often helps teach them these are times and places we respect quietness. Also, family prayer at home will help a great deal.  Most importantly, invoke our Blessed Mother at Mass. Ask her to rock, comfort and help your little ones. Don't leave out their Holy Angel. All this works... believe me. They will learn.  At one time I, along with a few coworkers had to take 30 preschoolers (age 3&4) to mass--they are expected to behave, sit quietly and be respectful in God's house. And they do.  Another thought that might interest you is to bring along a sitter or other older teen perhaps that would sit with you and the children to help. Not play and answer Q's but to be there to assist.  Prepare them before mass. They go to the bathroom before mass so they won't need to leave during Mass.  Another thought is attending Mass with dad.  A fathers example speaks volumes.
(01-10-2010, 07:28 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]It's because of this kind of legalism that I think the whole concept of "holy days of obligation" should be chucked. It serves to make the devout paranoid about how much their worship "counted." The only people who care about such holy days are amongst the pious anyway, so why cause complexes amongst the faithful?

Every time there is a rule there is a danger of people becoming legalistic about it (though I doubt this was the case in the original post).  Getting rid of all the rules because of this danger is a mistake.  The opposite of legalism is antinomianism which is also a heresy: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01564b.htm.

Opportunities for obedience are very important for spiritual growth.  In order to obey one must submit one's will to God.  One dies to self in order to grow in Christ.  Many saints wrote of the importance of obedience.  There are other reasons why rules are necessary, but this I think is the most important.

I, personally, have been helped by the existence of Holy Days of Obligation.  I know that I have benefited from going to Mass on days when I did not really feel like it.  When I went as an act of obedience it was a blow against my self-will and my tendency to self-indulgence.  There must be a better way of dealing with the danger of legalism than removing the opportunity for obedience.

I agree with Jayne. Obligations are opportunities for humility and grace.

The goal is to obey out of love, not out of fear.

- Lisa
(01-10-2010, 07:55 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Jayne. Obligations are opportunities for humility and grace.

The goal is to obey out of love, not out of fear.

- Lisa

Indeed
tradmaverick Wrote:Well its lucky that your not in charge of that department.....oh wait I guess you were really

What?
(01-10-2010, 08:17 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]
tradmaverick Wrote:Well its lucky that your not in charge of that department.....oh wait I guess you were really

What?

Well certain people thought the same things and look where we are now!

The Church needs to reach out to the modern world....no more harshness and obligation.....less emphasis on rules and more on love......

I thought you were a traditional Catholic? Some of your other posts have been quite orthodox!  What on earth is with this one?
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