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So, an Episcopal 'Bishop' is criticizing monks for making Buckfast.

An Episcopalian is pointing fingers about encouraging immoral behavior while they appoint gay clergy?!

Quote:A bishop has condemned Buckfast, the fortified wine made by monks and regarded by some as the scourge of Scotland. The Right Rev Bob Gillies, Bishop of Aberdeen and Orkney in the Scottish Episcopal Church, accused the Devon-based Benedictine monks of betraying Christian values.

Bishop Gillies is the first senior clergyman to criticise the monks of Buckfast Abbey, who have always claimed they are not responsible for the antisocial behaviour that results from the widespread abuse of their product.

Speaking on BBC Scotland Investigates, to be broadcast tonight, Bishop Gillies said: “What sort of moral double-take is there that these monks can be so closely associated with that product and knowingly aware of the social damage as well as the medical damage it is doing to the kids who take it in such vast volumes?”

He added: “The monks at Buckfast are in a Benedictine monastery, which is founded upon the rule of St Benedict. Benedict urged his monks to live a simple life following a rule that leads them into closer discipleship with the Lord.

“St Benedict, I would have thought, would have been very, very unhappy with what his monks are doing nowadays.”

The investigation reveals that the drink, known colloquially as Buckie, has been mentioned in 5,000 crime reports by Strathclyde Police in the past three years. Almost one in ten of those crimes was violent, according to figures obtained by the BBC under freedom of information legislation. During that period the Buckfast bottle was used as a weapon 114 times and police said the figures suggested there is an association between Buckfast and violence. Superintendent Bob Hamilton, of Strathclyde Police, told the BBC: “I think it’s clear from the figures that there is an association there.”

The investigation examined how the drink could affect the behaviour of consumers, potentially making them anxious and aggressive. Each bottle of Buckfast contains more than 11 units of alcohol, is 15 per cent by volume — and costs about £5.49.

Steven Alexander, a neuroscientist at the University of Nottingham, said there was 281mg of caffeine in a bottle of Buckfast — as much caffeine as in eight cans of cola.

The programme-makers interviewed inmates at Polmont young offender institution who admitted drinking two bottles of Buckfast a day.

Asked about the effects on someone of consuming more caffeine than there is in 16 cans of cola, Dr Alexander said: “It’s going to have him bouncing around all over the place because the anxiety levels, the adrenalin will be running around.

“He will certainly be feeling very anxious, very aggressive.”

There is increasing concern about the effect of caffeine when mixed with alcohol, with the US Food and Drug Administration considering banning pre-mixed caffeinated alcohol drinks altogether.

A request for an interview with the monks of Buckfast Abbey was turned down, the BBC said, while a spokesman for J Chandler & Co (Buckfast), the commercial company that distributes the drink, denied any need to change the ingredients.

Jim Wilson, of J Chandler & Co, claims the Benedictine monks are not to blame for the effects of Buckfast on the outside world, saying: “Why should they accept responsibility? They’re not up there pouring their Buckfast down somebody’s throat. People take it by choice because they like it, because it’s a good product.”

Asked if the monks should accept any kind of moral responsibility, Mr Wilson said: “No, they produce a good product. I drink it. Now, if I thought there was something wrong with it, would I drink it?”

The distributors of Buckfast have previously threatened to sue public figures who have criticised the drink, including Cathy Jamieson, a former Scottish Justice Minister. Sales of Buckfast have doubled in the past five years to £37 million, and more than half is sold north of the Border. It is estimated that Scots spend £50,000 a day on the drink, which is variously known as “bottle of beat the wife”, “liquid speed” and “wreck the hoose juice”.

BBC Scotland Investigates: The Buckfast Code will be screened on BBC One Scotland at 7.30pm tonight.

Available on tap in the "Buckfast belt"

The recipe is attributed to the original French monks who settled at the Devon abbey in the 1880s. They mixed imported base wines from Spain, known as mistellas, with tonic ingredients, a process that has changed little to this day

A 75cl bottle of “Buckie” has 15 per cent alcohol by volume, contains many times the amount of caffeine found in a can of Coca-Cola and costs from £5.49. The drink is also available in 35cl and 1 litre containers

More than half of all Buckfast is consumed in Scotland. Dubbed the “Buckfast belt”, Lanarkshire has the highest sales (believed to be in the region of 10 per cent) where the drink is known as Coatbridge table wine, referring to the Scottish town in which Buckfast is so popular. Several establishments offer the drink on tap

It is estimated that Scots spend more than £50,000 a day on the drink, which has total sales of around £37 million a year

54 per cent of “dangerous litter” found on Scottish housing estates is broken Buckfast bottles according to research by Glasgow Caledonian and Dundee universities

The drink has a range of nicknames including Wreck the Hoose Juice, Mrs Brown, Commotion Lotion, Bottle of fight the world, Bottle of beat the wife, Liquid speed and Scranjuice. The comic creation Rab C. Nesbitt was so fond of Buckie that in one episode he travelled the length of Britain to visit Buckfast Abbey

There are more than 200 groups dedicated to Buckfast on Facebook.

Buckfast in the Republic of Ireland has slightly lower alcohol content and is sold in a brown bottle rather than the green bottle found in the UK
My grandmother and her brothers and sisters were given a spoonful of Buckfast every day by their mother before they went to school.  Never did them any harm!
Quid interest inter Scotum et sotum?
It must be nice to be a bishop of a national church. 

Even Benedict realized the futility of denying his monks wine...
Where is Devoted Knuckles when we need a balanced and unbiased opinion of this Bishop's important social commentary?

Come on DK !!!
Suffice it to say that this heretic is no bishop at all.
The prohibition is the US between 1920 and 1933 clearly proved that alcoholic beverages in themselves do not commit crimes, people are who commit crimes, and the government regulation makes thins worse.

Probably the episcopal action is backed by the wine-beer-distilledliquor makers.