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We've been interested in establishing the liberal pedigree of one William Donahue who's a bit of a would-be Catholic carny, barking for donations and declaiming the "enemies" of the Catholic Church while shilling for the USCCB. He's also been promoting the idea of "hate crimes" and we see him here doing lapdog service for the socialist "Health Care Reform" here.

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2010...usccb.html
Never have liked him much. He's too shrill.
Are you aware that the USCCB is part of the Magisterium for those who live in the US?
Wrong. The USCCB holds no authority whatsoever.
(01-29-2010, 09:09 PM)Christopher Wrote: [ -> ]Wrong. The USCCB holds no authority whatsoever.

Really? Is apostolic succession invalid?
the USCCB is an organization. It wasn't created in 1st century Palestine. Only a Bishop holds apostolic succession and the magisterial authority that goes with said succession. The USCCB isn't just the Bishops, it is also many staffers both lay and religious who do not hold episcopal orders. So when the USCCB issues some sort of policy statement, it is not binding on any Catholic due solely to the fact that it came from the USCCB, just as it is not binding on any individual Bishop. So when the USCCB says that you can't vote for pro abortion politicians, you can't vote for pro abortion politicians because that is a teaching of the Church, not the USCCB. Like when the Bishop of Lincoln refused to institute the norms for sexual abuse prevention issued by the USCCB because they were idiotic. Again the USCCB is an organization, to my knowledge it holds no Apostolic authority over me as a Catholic who is a member of the Diocese of Bridgeport. Only the Pope, the proper Vatican congregations in relevant questions, and William, Bishop of Bridgeport hold that authority over my life as a Catholic. 
(01-29-2010, 08:02 PM)glgas Wrote: [ -> ]Are you aware that the USCCB is part of the Magisterium for those who live in the US?

You're like a torture victim who falls in love with his terrorist captors. 

The USCCB is the DNC at prayer and their press releases are as edifying as anything the International Communist Party ever wrote.
(01-29-2010, 10:56 PM)Christopher Wrote: [ -> ]the USCCB is an organization. It wasn't created in 1st century Palestine. Only a Bishop holds apostolic succession and the magisterial authority that goes with said succession. The USCCB isn't just the Bishops, it is also many staffers both lay and religious who do not hold episcopal orders. So when the USCCB issues some sort of policy statement, it is not binding on any Catholic due solely to the fact that it came from the USCCB, just as it is not binding on any individual Bishop. So when the USCCB says that you can't vote for pro abortion politicians, you can't vote for pro abortion politicians because that is a teaching of the Church, not the USCCB. Like when the Bishop of Lincoln refused to institute the norms for sexual abuse prevention issued by the USCCB because they were idiotic. Again the USCCB is an organization, to my knowledge it holds no Apostolic authority over me as a Catholic who is a member of the Diocese of Bridgeport. Only the Pope, the proper Vatican congregations in relevant questions, and William, Bishop of Bridgeport hold that authority over my life as a Catholic. 

Well, I agree with AugstineBaker that back issues of Pravda are probably more inspiring than the USCCB ("Glorious Factory of Motherland Fulfills 3-Year Plan for Screwdriver Handles!").

However, to christopher's point.....yes, indeed the USCCB is an organization.  It is an organization made up of the bishops.  The bishops have authority.  It's splitting hairs to say that bishops have authority, but an organization to which they collectively belong, along with other people,  does not. 

It's a little like saying that a policeman has the right to arrest you, but the police department has no authority to do so, because the secretary and the janitor are part of the department.

No, it indeed was not created in first century Palestine....is that the validity test for Catholicism?  College of Cardinals also seems to be out then, as does the New Testament and the Sistine Chapel?
Yes the Bishops have authority, they have authority as Bishops not as a members of the USCCB. It's not splitting hairs. Your analogy of the policeman is flawed if I may say so, because it is the police dept. that hires the officer trains him, and deploys him. When he arrests someone it because he is a sworn member of the police department. So when there's a hostage situation at the local Macy's the department sends him out there to take care of things, he has to, it's an order from a legitimate higher authority to whom he has sworn obedience. On the other hand, when the USCCB chooses to vote on some subject or another, and it passes, an individual Bishop is in no way bound to follow that ruling in his Diocese. He is completely autonomous from his fellow Bishops. Thus; the USCCB has no REAL authority. It has no ability to require obedience from any of it's members or anyone else (except maybe it's staffers, who are employees).
Moreover, just to add "insult to injury" how often is it that the policeman can conspire with criminals in broad daylight without there being some sort of scandal or an arrest of the policeman and his co-conspirator(s)?  Yet when the USCCB does what is essentially the same thing, holding the US laity hostage for the purposes of their pandering to leftists darling causes, the response is ho hum, an Archbishop Romero type guy heading the USCCB Office of Social Justice, and that's news?
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