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This fast-track stuff is just a bad idea all around.  Here the postulator is de facto proclaiming him a Saint and working up public support.  Note there is no devil's advocate, and anyone who dare say JP2 wasn't "Great" gets the Neo-Catholic hammer upon his head.

Note also what I bolded below.


http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories...000619.htm

Sainthood scoop: Book on the "real" John Paul II snubbed at Vatican

By John Thavis
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- When it was unveiled in late January, the insider book about the "real" Pope John Paul II looked at first glance like the Vatican's own effort at a pre-beatification biography.

But as the fallout over the next two weeks made clear, the Vatican was not directly involved. Nor was everyone happy that the book was co-authored by the official postulator, or promoter, of Pope John Paul's sainthood cause, using information that is generally considered confidential.

In addition, several officials thought the book's simple presentation of the late pope's reported penitential practices, with little explanation or context, was unwise and counter-productive.

The book reported that Pope John Paul regularly carried out various types of self-mortification. "In his closet, among the cassocks, there was a hook holding a particular belt for slacks, which he used as a whip," it said.

That news made headlines and prompted questions and even a bit of ridicule by people unfamiliar with the history of penitential practices in the church.


Msgr. Oder (CNS/Paul Haring)

Msgr. Slawomir Oder, the postulator of the cause, teamed up with an Italian Catholic journalist to write, "Why He's a Saint: The Real John Paul II According to the Postulator of His Beatification Cause." Apparently no one at the Vatican told him not to write a tell-all book, so he did.

After the fact, however, the displeasure was quietly communicated in a number of ways. For one thing, no active Vatican official attended the book's presentation at a hotel a few steps from St. Peter's Square. The Vatican newspaper has not written a word about the book.

Polish Father Adam Boniecki, a longtime aide to Pope John Paul, said bluntly that Msgr. Oder had improperly published "episodes, documents and revelations about the private life" of the late pope.

"It is a surprising and serious thing that it was the postulator who wrote such a book," Father Boniecki said.

Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz was said by Polish sources to have been upset and to have called Msgr. Oder for an explanation.

Top officials at the Congregation for Saints' Causes refused official comment, but were also described as perplexed and unhappy at the book's publication. By early February, Msgr. Oder had withdrawn into "total silence" and was refusing to talk about the book, according to his secretary.

The role of postulator of a sainthood cause typically involves quiet investigation and discretion. Sources in Rome with experience in handling these causes said that while Msgr. Oder may not have technically broken any rules, he had acted imprudently on a couple of counts:

-- If writing a book about the subject of a sainthood cause, the postulator should be careful not to cite information provided by witnesses, because this could make future witnesses reluctant to come forward. This is particularly true if a witness has something to say against a sainthood cause, they said.

"If a witness feels he has to make objections and the next day it's in the newspapers, people will not be so willing to testify the next time. A postulator has to know these things, but publishing them is an entirely different question," said one church official.

-- Msgr. Oder cited unnamed members of the pope's Polish entourage as the source of the reports of self-mortification, but it was unclear whether he had asked and obtained their permission to publish this information. And even if he did, such a request might condition people's answers.

Italian newspapers speculated that the quiet controversy over the book's publication might even delay the beatification of Pope John Paul. Sources told Catholic News Service that was unlikely; the late pope's cause is awaiting approval of a miracle, and many believe the beatification could come later this year.

Others wondered if Msgr. Oder would be dismissed as postulator. That, too, seems improbable. "In the past, he might have been replaced. But that's not the way things are done around here now," said one Vatican official.

Publishing evidence of a "hidden" side of a would-be saint is not completely new. In 2002, the year before Blessed Mother Teresa's beatification, the postulator of her cause, Father Brian Kolodiejchuk, posted an article about Mother Teresa's "dark night of the soul," detailing her feelings of inner doubt and spiritual darkness.

But in this case, the details of the "crisis of faith" came from Mother Teresa's own letters, not from witnesses called to testify in the sainthood process. Father Kolodiejchuk's 2007 book detailing the correspondence, "Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light," caused quite a stir, especially because Mother Teresa had repeatedly begged for her personal correspondence to be destroyed.

That wish was ignored by her spiritual advisers and others, who felt the letters offered future generations a witness of unique holiness.
Let's just see where the proceeds from this book go... that will fill in the blanks and show what is really going on here.

If JP2 is declared a saint, I might have to re-think Catholicism. He kissed a Koran and held confusing ecumenical love-ins and ignored extensive corruption in the Church and for this he will be welcomed into heaven? Perhaps he might have made it to heaven but he is no example to follow, and frankly I wouldn't mind if his bones were dug up and cast into the Tiber, which is the healthy sort of Catholic reaction one should have in the face of his deeds and lack thereof.

Yes yes his apologists will come to his rescue with equivocations and theories and excuses, but frankly, the Holy Father has power, he can do what he wants and not do what he doesn't want to do. NO ONE forced him to meet Muslims let alone kiss the Koran and no one forced him to do Assissi I or II. In fact some Cardinals begged him not to. So I beg you spare us the excuses.

Can't we ever admit that we simply had a bad pope? I think this desire to cannonize all the recent popes is a sign of decadence in the Church, the removal of the Devil's Advocate role and a desire to dillute the importance of Pope St. Pius X for modern times.
It's all show now, like Obama getting the Nobel Prize.  Whip the public up into a frenzy so even if there is a good reason not to Saint him the Vatican couldn't say no.

I personally don't care if JP2 slept on a bed of nails in a hair shirt every night - the devastation he allowed to go on in the Church should be factored into this process.
(02-13-2010, 03:31 AM)QuisUtDeus Wrote: [ -> ]It's all show now, like Obama getting the Nobel Prize.  Whip the public up into a frenzy so even if there is a good reason not to Saint him the Vatican couldn't say no.

I personally don't care if JP2 slept on a bed of nails in a hair shirt every night - the devastation he allowed to go on in the Church should be factored into this process.

True,  but to the "normal" Catholic in today's world, there was no devastation wrought in the modern Church - but a time of great growth under John Paul II.  This is what is so damn aggrivating about this situation.
(02-13-2010, 01:51 AM)winoblue1 Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just see where the proceeds from this book go... that will fill in the blanks and show what is really going on here.

If JP2 is declared a saint, I might have to re-think Catholicism. He kissed a Koran and held confusing ecumenical love-ins and ignored extensive corruption in the Church and for this he will be welcomed into heaven? Perhaps he might have made it to heaven but he is no example to follow, and frankly I wouldn't mind if his bones were dug up and cast into the Tiber, which is the healthy sort of Catholic reaction one should have in the face of his deeds and lack thereof.

Yes yes his apologists will come to his rescue with equivocations and theories and excuses, but frankly, the Holy Father has power, he can do what he wants and not do what he doesn't want to do. NO ONE forced him to meet Muslims let alone kiss the Koran and no one forced him to do Assissi I or II. In fact some Cardinals begged him not to. So I beg you spare us the excuses.

Can't we ever admit that we simply had a bad pope? I think this desire to cannonize all the recent popes is a sign of decadence in the Church, the removal of the Devil's Advocate role and a desire to dillute the importance of Pope St. Pius X for modern times.

No, don't say that. It's the hierarchy that's messed up today, and Our Lord is their true judge, but in His time. In the meanwhile, our beautiful Catholic faith remains; the Mass, the Sacraments and the Blessed Mother, all the graces and the saints, everything good that our Lord gave us still all here for us.  :)

Matthew 23: 1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 2 Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. 3 All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
At Athanasius he has written a letter to the postulator Msgr. Oder concerning JPII's canonization but not particularly his book. I can't wait to read his response.
tim
(02-13-2010, 10:25 AM)timoose Wrote: [ -> ]At Athanasius he has written a letter to the postulator Msgr. Oder concerning JPII's canonization but not particularly his book. I can't wait to read his response.
tim

It is apalling that this Mgr Oder as a postulator to JPII canonization didn't only for one second ponder about the opportunity of publishing this book.
In other times, he would have been dismissed immediately and replaced at once by fear of the Devil's Advocate reaction.
Now that the Devil's Advocate no longer exists, thanks to JPII's action, everything is possible: Father Maciel to be made a saint for example?