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Augustine Baker,

You mentioned that Fr. Paul Marx, O.S.B, had been suspended.  What's your source for this? 
(04-10-2010, 12:57 AM)Aloysius Wrote: [ -> ]actually: here's the letter in Latin if you can make it out: http://www.wdtprs.com/images/10_04_09_Ch...a_AP01.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_...titialskip
(04-09-2010, 11:03 PM)Aloysius Wrote: [ -> ]do we throw them out on the streets demanding that they fend for themselves?  is that really the best way to protect children?  who is more likely to offend again, a priest who has been defrocked and has no friend in the world?  stripped of the only thing that might have been a redeeming act for him, a means of grace to fight against his twisted desires?  or a priest who is under intensive watch from their bishop, living perhaps in a monastery somewhere away from active ministry with the public, with private masses as their comfort, as something that strengthens them in their resolve.

Until the Pope carries out the demands of Our Lady of Fatima I will find it hard to believe that he acts with good will.  The mandate from Heaven has been sitting in a desk in his office for over 50 years. How much clearer do you want it than a specific instruction from the mother of God backed by a public miracle witnessed by 70,000 people Huh???

The best way to protect our children is to cut out this cancer.  Pornographers, pedos and perverts should be executed once found guilty on a court of law.

Dead people cannot spread their sickness.

Men would be a lot healthier if they did not grow up surrounded by twisted sexual ideas.  Their marriages would work more often and womenfolk would be better respected too.  If that means several hundred executions of sickos every year and a reinterpretation of First Amedment rights then that seems a price worth paying.  After all we put up with thousands of road deaths in order to be able to support a modern economy.  What's the difference?
the Church forbids herself from imposing death penalties.  take that up with the civil authorities--the crime certainly merits it, and I think many of them would have a better chance at eternal salvation through expiation at accepting the just punishment of death.    not saying I'd support such a policy, but I wouldn't outright oppose it, it might be that that's the best possible solution.

HOWEVER, the Church herself will not shed blood.  She leaves that option to the civil authorities.  She'll never provide the executioner, she only provides the priest of Jesus Christ to prepare the executed for a good death.

So we are left at the same impass.  When the Church finds herself with the case of a priest who has committed a twisted crime and the civil authorities do not do their duty to punish him (at least with prison time and sex offender registry and legal monitoring), what is the Church to do with her wayward son?

cast him into the street and make the streets themselves less safe for children?
or house him where he can be monitored by the Church, where he can live a life of prayer and penance, where the Church can keep him away from children?  where he can, for the rest of his life, find solace and the strength to fight his inner demons in the grace of private masses.

he'll stand before the judgement seat of God as a priest of Jesus Christ, there's nothing the Church can do to undo that fact.  Which means the officials of the Church will stand before the judgment seat of God bearing some degree of responsibility for his soul.  Christ will not ask "were you able to successfully distance yourself from this man?  did you ostracize him as much as you could and disavow all contact with him?"  no, Christ will ask "how did you, his spiritual fathers, help this priest of mine seek repentance and salvation?"
(04-10-2010, 01:17 AM)Bonifacius Wrote: [ -> ]Augustine Baker,

You mentioned that Fr. Paul Marx, O.S.B, had been suspended.  What's your source for this? 

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Orbis Catholicus knows all.  He met with Fr. Paul last summer.

http://orbiscatholicus.blogspot.com/2009...-life.html
(04-09-2010, 06:49 PM)Roy Wrote: [ -> ]So do you think the attorney in this video clip about this story is correct or incorrect?





Well, he's correct and incorrect.

Obviously a concern is scandal.  But that's not the only concern.

The point is this: what does laicizing do?  Does it make him not a pedophile?  Does it make him not a priest?  Does it do anything significant that his bishop couldn't do?  Nope.

What laicizing ultimately does is two things:

1) Stop him from transferring to another diocese where a bishop might allow him to continue.
2) Stop him from calling himself a Catholic priest

Those are the only two things, AFAIK, his bishop can't do.  It's mostly symbolic when it comes to this issue.  No bishop in their right mind is going to take a priest whose folder lists him as a predatory pedophile, so, he's pretty much stuck with the bishop he has.  And even if he is laicized, he can still put on a Roman collar and act like a priest just as you or I can.

So you have Cdl R being asked to laicize a priest when the net practical benefit is close to zero and the net risk is scandal.

This wasn't a case, so far, of stuff being hidden from the police.  The police knew about him, and he was convicted.  IMO, this was a case of a bishop passing the buck to Rome because he didn't want to deal with this pervert in his diocese any more.  He could have assigned the guy to the stacks in a Catholic university buried deep down where he wouldn't see the light of day.  Instead, he wanted to just get rid of him, and Cdl R's response was that it isn't necessarily the best thing to do.
The bottom line is, that the civil authorities failed to prevent a sick men to commit unaccepted acts either before and after he was defrocked. The reason of this hullabaloo is to attack the Church, not to prevent any future molestation.
Augustine Baker,

I followed your link.  This is the only thing that remotely refers to a suspension:  "Anonymous said...
A crime the liberals in Collegeville took his faculties away."

A post on a blog by an "anonymous" about an otherwise unknown and unsourced suspension, a post without any details and which does not make it clear what the poster is talking about, does not count as a source. 

Are there any legitimate sources that refer to Fr. Marx being deprived of faculties or suspended, etc.?  I.e. reliable sources with names and details?  Thank you.
(04-10-2010, 04:53 PM)Bonifacius Wrote: [ -> ]Augustine Baker,

I followed your link.  This is the only thing that remotely refers to a suspension:  "Anonymous said...
A crime the liberals in Collegeville took his faculties away."

A post on a blog by an "anonymous" about an otherwise unknown and unsourced suspension, a post without any details and which does not make it clear what the poster is talking about, does not count as a source. 

Are there any legitimate sources that refer to Fr. Marx being deprived of faculties or suspended, etc.?  I.e. reliable sources with names and details?  Thank you.

It's an undisclosed source close to the man himself.  Father Marx suffered a stroke and had memory problems, but considering the hostility I personally witnessed toward Father Marx on the part of "monks" who met him while walking through the halls (like one freddy mercury looking one who had on his fire department uniform), I can't imagine that this suspension of faculties wasn't somehow vindictive in nature.

Indeed, the Abbott made sure to highlight that HLIs activities and Fr. Marx's pro-life witness was HIS belief and the inference was that Fr. Marx's belief isn't necessarily shared by the Abbey as a whole (and it isn't.  I think Obama won hands down at St. John's Abbey at Collegeville in the last election)

The leadership at St. John''s Abbey has a long history of puerile vindictiveness like that.  They're basically homosexual bullies.
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