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Oh pls abuse and torture innocent people? Well look where its commin from. Talk about rich
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He seems to have been a power hungry nationalist who manipulated people.

Just because he didn't go outside his area, doesn't make him more laudable than other nationalists who suppressed all things culturally and ethnically different. His first enemies were political opponents. His primary goal was all things "Spanish", to the detriment of others. Just because he happened to be anti-Communist and nominally a Catholic (a Catholic would not see a culturally dependent facet of society as being superior) doesn't mean he was a great person.
Franco was alright.  The "republicans" were commie satanic Catholic killers.  But this dude put them all to shame:

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On 23 July[3], Republican forces captured Moscardó's 16-year-old son, Luis. They called the Alcazar on the telephone and Moscardó himself picked up the receiver. The political officer of the Republican force informed him that unless he surrendered the Alcazar, Luis would be shot. Moscardó asked to speak to his son. He then told Luis, "Commend your soul to God and die like a patriot, shouting 'Long live Christ King' and 'Long live Spain.'" "That," answered his son, "I can do."

An envoy from the Republicans, Major Rojo, was sent to Colonel Moscardó on September 9 to ask for the surrender of the Alcázar. This was refused, but Colonel Moscardó requested for a priest to be sent to baptize the two children born during the siege and to also say Mass.

Vázquez Camarassa, a Madrid preacher with left-wing views, was sent to the Alcázar during the morning of September 11, performed the necessary functions and issued a General Absolution to the defenders of the Alcázar. That evening, Major Rojo met with Colonel Moscardó for the release of the women and children. The women unanimously replied that they would never surrender and if need be would take up arms for the defense of the Alcázar.[11]

And their chicks were tough too.
Herr have u read a bipo of franco? Do u know how pius he was? He wasn't power hungry. He actually had to be talked into supporting the revolt. If the republicans weren't so blood thirsty and hadn't killed so many as they did it could of been different. But u know let's belive what the press and new york times and lefitist telle us
Yeah sure
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This is a classic example of some who can't put themselvelvs into an event to understand it. So the question is if franco and the generals didn't revolt ie be power hungry how would the commies and anarchists be defeated?
Oh I see.............
(04-30-2010, 07:00 PM)Herr_Mannelig Wrote: [ -> ]He seems to have been a power hungry nationalist who manipulated people.

Just because he didn't go outside his area, doesn't make him more laudable than other nationalists who suppressed all things culturally and ethnically different. His first enemies were political opponents. His primary goal was all things "Spanish", to the detriment of others. Just because he happened to be anti-Communist and nominally a Catholic (a Catholic would not see a culturally dependent facet of society as being superior) doesn't mean he was a great person.

You missed your calling to write for Pravda.  

Basque nationalists are a lot like Quebec separatists - left wing traitors.  Although they themselves did not take part in anti-clerical murder, they fought for the guys who did.  Read about Basque heroine, Dolores Ibarruri to get a taste of who we are dealing with.    

Franco on the other hand was a daily communicant, prayed the Rosary and kept a relic of St. Teresa of Avila on his desk.  
(04-30-2010, 10:38 AM)Texican Wrote: [ -> ]The Basques, like the Cataláns, don't like Franco, because they are very independent-minded, and prefer autonomy for their homelands, and Franco opposed that, preferring a strong, unified Spain.

Yeah, independent minded people like to live freely instead of being killed, tortured and put in concentration camps.

What you are saying here is that Franco preferred to overrun the homelands of another for the sake of his homeland (Spain).

dk, what you said may be true, but I highly doubt the Basque people benefited from his devotion by his actions.
Also one of the great fanatics and murderers of priests during the civial war was bonaventuri durruti himself a basque
Also herr is oncorrect. Franco was not niminally catholic he was a very pius catholic. This cannot be denied. Read about him before u spew bullshit. U may disagree with his politics ad instead find sympathy with priest murderers and nun rapists but u shpould be intelectually honest enough and state the known historical truth Franco was a pious Catholic. And died a catholic.
(04-30-2010, 08:05 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: [ -> ]Also herr is oncorrect. Franco was not niminally catholic he was a very pius catholic. This cannot be denied. Read about him before u spew bullshit. U may disagree with his politics ad instead find sympathy with priest murderers and nun rapists but u shpould be intelectually honest enough and state the known historical truth Franco was a pious Catholic. And died a catholic.

By their fruits. His fruits are varying. His primary motivation seems to be political power, not anything concerning the faith. He instituted a state religion and banned languages other than Spanish with equal ease. Henry V was a pious Catholic too. He received communion and went to three masses before slaughtering defenseless Catholic Frenchmen and women. By their fruits...

He walked under the king's canopy, he wore the king's clothes and used his title. He lived in a palace. He promoted "Spanish" traditional values and customs and suppressed others. If Spain were not historically (in his era) Catholic, then he wouldn't have been either.
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