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There was no other way to overcome the red revolution in Spain but to wage that bloody civil war.
In addition, Franco was wise enough in using Germany's help to win the reds but he never surrendered to Hitler when he asked him several times to enter the WWII at the sides of Germany.
Should Spain have entered WWII, this would have been a disaster for her.
How true but then those like herr would be lauding the vile commies or socialist who would of taken over 60 yrs ago rather then 30
Lol
Also contrary to herrs ideas Franco did not revolt with the other generals soley put of nationalism or to siexe power. Franco was very much concerned and affected by the rise of athiesm and attacks against the church and God. He revolted outof a sense of Catholic duty. Unlike the basques who now ever cry victim and sides with the most barbaric regime and gov ie the republic who murdered over 10 000 priests. The choice was very stark and clear. The basques sided with the enemies of God so now for the last 70 years they've been bitchin well
What do u expect? The last crusade was a very bloody affair. And to the victors goes the spoils.
HM, I'm surprised at the feebleness of your last response.
Herr_Mannelig Wrote:Well, yes, other people did bad things too.

So you acknowledge the fact that the "bad thing" which the "other people" did (which Franco stopped) was, namely, the murder of over 20% of all Catholic clergy living in Spain. Yet, inexplicably, you insist that stemming this mass slaughter was "all for naught". Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Spain during and after Franco has not been host to any anti-Catholic murdering sprees that I am aware of.

Herr_Mannelig Wrote:One bad thing is not an excuse for another.

Exactly what did Franco do that is proportionate to the countless atrocities inflicted on Holy Mother Church by the Spanish Marxists?

In Corde Regis Christi,
Joshua
Interesting thread. I only want to add that there's a lot of generalizing (excuse the pun) going on, and that people are confusing spanish for russians, french etc. They're very different. I liked that trilogy (I think it was) by someone whose name I can't remember who showed how truly spanish in character that whole mess of the civil war etc was. And yes that's another generalization.
What trilogy? R u speakin about the cedars belive in God? As fpo ther ruskies well they had a huge role to play in the civil war as did the international bregades. Commies r commies. The anarchist lest we forget certainly were by far on the outbrealk of the civial war the most organized and quickly became one of the better amrmed. The FAI and CNT. this is a gernweral thread spo yeah generalizations are the deal.
The cedars belive in God certainly is a great novel about the last crusade that's for sure
If Salvador Dali liked Franco, so can I.

Franco won what I've considered for a while to be the last crusade. I don't know about his regime, though. It was absolutely preferable to the alternatives, but I don't think it can be called successful if the liberals were able to completely dismantle it and issue a virtual damnatio memoriae on Franco's legacy within years of his death. It sounds like he was more of a bandage to Spain's problem, not a solution.

If I had been Franco, I would have had a better public relations team and funded some badass movies about myself.
DK, that's the one! Cypresses though wasn't it? Gironella. I remember now. Great book! Kind of a spanish Brothers Karamazov. I never read the final part of the trilogy because I was so sort of emotionally exhausted by that one that I didn't even care to know what happened afterwards, especially knowing that however the story finished, spain ended up being the spain it is now. Plus I'd heard plenty of Basque stories about the looming "hero" of the book, Franco.  (I heard a very genteel old basque guy say that he'd like to see franco buried alive in a coffin full of nails that poked inside! Youch! Where does that come from?) Gironella was a franco fan wasn't he? Thinking back on reading that book, to me it seemed more like Gironella figured franco was the best of a bad lot. That's pretty much how I see it. Calling him a "hero" goes a bit too far. If a guy can be a hero and still have the "flaws" that he had, to put it mildly, then I'm not into heroes.

He may be a nice image, fill a nice role in catholic history from a certain point of view, but "hero"? Not for me.
(05-04-2010, 02:33 AM)Benno Wrote: [ -> ]DK, that's the one! Cypresses though wasn't it? Gironella. I remember now. Great book! Kind of a spanish Brothers Karamazov. I never read the final part of the trilogy because I was so sort of emotionally exhausted by that one that I didn't even care to know what happened afterwards, especially knowing that however the story finished, spain ended up being the spain it is now. Plus I'd heard plenty of Basque stories about the looming "hero" of the book, Franco.  (I heard a very genteel old basque guy say that he'd like to see franco buried alive in a coffin full of nails that poked inside! Youch! Where does that come from?) Gironella was a franco fan wasn't he? Thinking back on reading that book, to me it seemed more like Gironella figured franco was the best of a bad lot. That's pretty much how I see it. Calling him a "hero" goes a bit too far. If a guy can be a hero and still have the "flaws" that he had, to put it mildly, then I'm not into heroes.

He may be a nice image, fill a nice role in catholic history from a certain point of view, but "hero"? Not for me.

The only hero who ever lived who didn't have flaws is Jesus Christ.
Indeed. Franco was a hero. He wqas no saint but he was a very devout and pious catholic. He was a good man. Certainly he's rule was just. He was no tyrant and he was the hero spain needed. Fopr those who say otherwise just think it through and ask yourself how could of that bloodbath been stopped? Wishfull thinking? Hoping for the best? How?
History will will look kinder on him once we at last rid the world of vile reds and vastard socialists!!
SANTIAGO!!!
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