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I know they are NO but this is still great to see...A group of protesters are more financially solvent then the "Pope JPII The Great" Cluster of parishes...

http://www.thetranscript.com/ci_15140768...ost_viewed

St. Stan’s vigil watching Rome

By Jennifer Huberdeau
Posted: 05/22/2010 03:20:51 AM EDT

Saturday May 22, 2010
North Adams Transcript

ADAMS -- Although the Vatican’s highest court recently rejected appeals from a group of Catholics looking to reopen 10 closed Boston-area churches, it could be what happens next in Rome that impacts the fate of St. Stanislaus Kostka Church.

News of the Apostolic Signatura’s decision, which was released on May 7, was released by the Council of Parishes, which represents some 16 Boston-area churches including those that recently had their appeals rejected, on Monday.

Council representatives were in Rome on Friday conferring with Cannon lawyers on how they could keep their fight alive and plotting out the group’s next legal move. It is unclear if the group will appeal to the full bench of the Apostolic Signatura -- Monday’s ruling was handed down by a committee of five members, not the full 15 member board.

Peter Borré, head of the Council of Parishes, said in an e-mail Friday, the group’s next step "could involve challenging the sale of a former parish church for ‘profane’ [non-sacred] use."

"These are easier Canon law challenges for parishioners to launch, compared with the appeals against the suppression of the parish itself," he said. "The purpose here -- if we follow this course -- is to make it much more difficult for the Bishop to sell off our churches for their scrap value as real estate."

Although vigil members in Adams have spent the last few days following the fallout from the recent ruling, the majority are still confident that St. Stanislaus’ outcome will be different. "We think our case is a little bit different than those in Boston," Francis Hajdas, a spokesman for the vigil participants, said Friday. "We’re still financially solvent, and that can weigh differently with each level of the process. We also have the fact that we’re a Polish church, with origins that go back to Poland, which makes us stand out. We have three women in the parish who caught the attention of a Polish cardinal when they were in Rome in February."

He said financial statements released at the beginning of January also support the group’s argument that St. Stan’s should remain open.

"When the parish financial reports came out around the first of the year, St. Stan’s still had $149,000 in assets. [Pope John Paul the Great] owed the diocese about $100,000," Hajdas said. "From what I understand, each parish is supposed to send the diocese 6 percent of their Sunday collections, and they haven’t been able to do that in two years -- they have to use the money to meet their operational expenses. How much longer can they continue like that?"

St. Stan’s appeal still rests within the Congregation of Clergy in Rome, a step below the Apostolic Signatura.

Borré believes St. Stan’s could benefit from the recent ruling, given that a growing number of parishes have been closed in the United States since the Boston groups filed their appeals five years ago. Over 70 parishes in the United States are in the process of appealing bishop-ordered church closings at the Vatican.

"Perhaps some folks in the Vatican Curia are waking up to the fact that the spiritual infrastructure of the Catholic Church in the United States is being deliberately destroyed," he said. "Maybe it is time for Rome to send a message to the U.S. bishops, that they should slow down this process of parish destruction. This has already happened quietly in a couple of cases -- but not for the Diocese of Springfield, as far as I know."

But such a ruling from the Apostolic Signatura is about three years away for the 200 vigil members who began the appeals process in August 2008 beginning with the Most Rev. Timothy McDonnell, bishop of the Springfield diocese. The group has maintained the 24-hours-a-day vigil since Dec. 26, 2008, with members sitting in shifts -- some sleeping on mattresses and cots in the back vestibule.

On Friday, Herb Martin and Loretta Cooney, marked the 512th day of the vigil just within the church’s open Summer Street doors -- a warm breeze wafting into the darkened church. A visitor sat in a pew near the altar, reading about its history, before taking a tour of the rest of the building.

"We knew that churches in Adams were going to close, but we thought the consolidations would happen here -- that St. Stan’s would become the main church," said Cooney, who has had three generations of her family attend the church and its parochial school. "It’s hard to say what the future holds, but it doesn’t look good. The Bishop doesn’t want to change his mind -- he doesn’t want to admit that he’s wrong. It also seems that the Vatican doesn’t care about us or the closings. They depend of the bishops to make decisions. It’s a tough situation, but we feel he made a mistake."

Martin interjected, "I don’t ‘feel’; I know he made a mistake."

Unlike most of the vigil members, who attend the church, Martin was a member of Notre Dame des Sept Douleurs. Notre Dame, along with St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Stan’s, were merged by the dioceses into the new parish of Pope John Paul the Great. The new parish, which has yet to successfully integrate St. Stan’s members, is located in the former Notre Dame Church, which church officials say was selected by the diocese for its size, location and accessibility.

"I’ve been here every day of the vigil, except for maybe two," Martin said. "When I heard they were going to close this church, I couldn’t believe it. It’s the one church I thought they would never touch. It’s unfair. I don’t see the new parish being financially solvent -- many foresee it closing in two years."

To reach Jennifer Huberdeau,
e-mail jhuberdeau@thetranscript.com.


Solution: Sell St. Stan's to the SSPX and have the real Mass there.

(05-22-2010, 11:03 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]Solution: Sell St. Stan's to the SSPX and have the real Mass there.

They would sell it to a Muhommadan head hunter first to be turned into a mosque.
(05-22-2010, 11:07 PM)Baskerville Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2010, 11:03 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]Solution: Sell St. Stan's to the SSPX and have the real Mass there.

They would sell it to a Muhommadan head hunter first to be turned into a mosque.

They would?  Really?  Head hunter no less?  really?  Huh.  HUH. 
(05-22-2010, 11:27 PM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2010, 11:07 PM)Baskerville Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-22-2010, 11:03 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]Solution: Sell St. Stan's to the SSPX and have the real Mass there.

They would sell it to a Muhommadan head hunter first to be turned into a mosque.

They would?  Really?  Head hunter no less?  really?  Huh.  HUH. 

Yep, sure would smart ass.
The much vaunted SSPX does not have enough priests to take care of these Churches much less all of those in the USA which are up for sale. To be blunt they are a drop in the ocean. The reformation of the Church  will not be the SSPX. It will be the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, not Bishop Fellay.  The entire body of faith does not reside singly in the SSPX, much to many of your embarrassment.

Here's a real novel approach. How do we join together and save these Churches specifically and by doing that bring the Church back to it's full glory.
Sniping has gotten you all nowhere, and fosters this attitude where anyone at all not attending a chapel of the SSPX is a heretic, apostate, notard, libtard. or whatever derisive term you have coined recently.

Jesus said He is the way, and that ain't this way. The good Doctor is explaining to you that your hatred is showing, and your bitterness is legendary. Like Jesus said by their fruits you will know them and your fruit is bitter, and hateful.

tim
(05-23-2010, 05:23 AM)timoose Wrote: [ -> ]The much vaunted SSPX does not have enough priests to take care of these Churches much less all of those in the USA which are up for sale. To be blunt they are a drop in the ocean. The reformation of the Church  will not be the SSPX. It will be the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, not Bishop Fellay. 

tim

Thats difficult though when most of the Catholic world outside trads dont even know what the hell the Immaculate heart of Mary is.
(05-23-2010, 05:23 AM)timoose Wrote: [ -> ]The entire body of faith does not reside singly in the SSPX, much to many of your embarrassment.


tim

No it resides in the SSPV CMRI too. Anyplace where the true faith of our ancestors is still taught. Wherever there is a handfull of true Catholics There is the faith. As our Lord said the faith is not in temples but in the heart its in the heart of every trad Catholic and every NO Catholic that is lost and just doing their best to get their salvation. I am convinced though that The body of faith does however not reside in Modernist, Ecumaniac, New World Order Rome. They sold it a long time ago to be more...what was it John XXIII said...Open the windows of the Church to the Modern world and let fresh air in. Well he and his Freemason friends sure did it. Now all that's left to us is to fight to get the faith back and pray that Rome accepts the truth once again.
May the Sacred Heart of Jesus and Immaculate heart of Mary triumph and lead our wayward hierarchy back to the faith.
(05-22-2010, 10:58 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]I know they are NO but this is still great to see...A group of protesters are more financially solvent then the "Pope JPII The Great" Cluster of parishes...

Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith to him: The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests: but the son of man hath not where to lay his head.
Just to be clear, Baskerville, all of us without access to the SSPX, CMRI, chapels, churches, are without the faith, therefore only the one or two million of you in the world are Catholics. Not a chance !
tim
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