FishEaters Traditional Catholic Forums

Full Version: Roger Ebert...victim of VII??
You're currently viewing a stripped down version of our content. View the full version with proper formatting.
I found this on Brother Andre's blog...looks like barring a last minute conversion VII will at least have a hand of giving the Devil another soul...

http://catholicism.org/roger-ebert-and-t...-days.html

Roger Ebert and the ‘Good Old Days’
Email This Post Print Subscribe
by Brother André Marie  June 26th, 2010
Catholicism.org

Film critic and columnist Roger Ebert penned a column for his blog at the Chicago Sun-Times, My Vocation as a Priest. It’s a benevolent, slightly sentimental look at his Catholic upbringing. At one time, he considered the priestly vocation. But it turns out he was one of those, “whose mother had the vocation” — to use the words of an old priest I knew. Not only did Roger Ebert not become a priest, he lost his Catholic Faith outright. Certain aspects of his column — well written, as one would expect — show the glories of pre-Vatican II American Catholicism in all their splendor.  For instance, he pays tribute to the Church’s aesthetic aspect when he says:

In my childhood the Church arched high above everything. I was awed by its ceremonies. Years later I agreed completely with Pauline Kael when she said that the three greatest American directors of the 1970s–Scorsese, Altman and Coppola–had derived much of their artistic richness from having grown up in the pre-Vatican Two era of Latin, incense, mortal sins, indulgences, dire sufferings in hell, Gregorian chant, and so on. Protestants and even Jews were victims, I suppose, of sensory deprivation.

Other passages show that those “Good Old Days” of American Catholicism, supposedly such a high-water mark for the religion, were not all they were cracked up to be. The Dominican teaching Sister who was dogmatically permissive, the seminarian who uttered a glaringly stupid remark about hell and Dante as he dragged on a cigarette: these were signs that the iconic Catholicism of the era had splotches on it, bad ones.

True, things would get a whole lot worse, but the radical revolutionaries of the 1960’s and 70’s were only building on what their less radical antecedents had done, just as the French revolutionaries of one era were decapitated as reactionaries by their own ideological progeny in the next. Revolutions are that way.

I sometimes correspond with a Catholic gentleman who, it turns out, worked two desks away from Roger Ebert at the Sun-Times. He tells me that he always thought Ebert was Jewish. “No way did I think he was an RC. I think the whole newsroom thought he was Jewish. Certainly not Catholic.” At the time, of course, Ebert was not a Catholic, except in a merely “cultural” sense, which the critic rather uncritically defines as “believing in the Social Contract and the Corporal Works of Mercy.” Clever, but that’s not even good, merely cultural Catholicism. One would have to take away the Social Contract and add at least wine, cheese, and Antonio Vivaldi.

How did he lose his faith? As Ebert himself testifies, Hugh Heffner and Charles Darwin did their damage, though, of course, Ebert does not consider it “damage.” Impurity and a false anthropology will certainly pervert one’s will and darken his intellect. By Ebert’s own testimony, that would seem to be how he fell away. It’s nothing the grace of God cannot fix, but at least a modicum of good will is requisite.

My friend who worked at the Sun-Times paid tribute to Ebert’s skill as a writer in his quickly written email:

Possibly the best mind I have ever encountered. Certainly the most accurate and fastest writer I ever met. Probably the best under deadline.

It was 1968 or thereabouts and we were on typewriters, then, and I had the pleasure of “editing” his copy on occasion for the Sunday Magazine.

Never had to touch a word but I held my pencil high, always hoping. To net a gaffe by Ebert would have been a catch.

I recall not a typo–just wonderful rolling prose. He was a prodigy then and probably in spirit still is.

The old Sun-Times editor then expressed his hope that Ebert’s wife will call a priest for him on his deathbed. For apparently, Roger Ebert has cancer of the jaw, had his face rebuilt surgically, and is now expected to live only a very short time. When that time ends, let’s hope and pray that he’ll be ready for his most important review.
Obviously it's not all because of VII because as the article pointed out, the modernism was in the Church before the council...But it's obvious that VII needs to be heaved in the scrap pile and they need to bring back and restore the real Catholic Faith.

Well technically there is nothing wrong with the council itself.  It was everyone who misinterpreted it (probably intentionally) and made changes that didn't actually exist in the council......like moving the altar. Fo' Shame .....and the Extraordinary Ministers of Communion becoming not so "Extraordinary." Dunce

Anyway fortunately the Church and all Her Teachings still exist....as Christ promised...and the wheels are slowly but surely turning.
The Sun Times (everywhere as in Chicago) is a remarkably liberal paper. Brother Andre Marie seems to be a traditionalist priest. What kind of marriage is this?
Some where in the sixties the world changed. It wasn't all on the same day but by 1968 it was pretty much finished. So many things changed the list would take days to write. There is no way that I know how to give you two paragraphs on it and cover most of it.Here's just one thing. Baby boomers started to show up officially in early 1946. We were exposed to a world just like our parents. Then radio became television. People started to drive to the grocery store ! By the time 1965 got here,  high school freshmen were sexually active. It created an alternative mini society which had no use for any one outside. It was bizarre.It was not inclusive of all kids or teenagers, just the hip. It had no room for those who did not see the world the same way. With these societal changes and then the Church many  went in to overload and could not sort it out. They retreated. Roger Ebert was casualty of all of it.
tim
(06-27-2010, 06:12 AM)glgas Wrote: [ -> ]The Sun Times (everywhere as in Chicago) is a remarkably liberal paper. Brother Andre Marie seems to be a traditionalist priest. What kind of marriage is this?

I'm not sure I follow you.  The liberalism of the Sun Times and the traditionalism of Brother Andre Marie (who is not a priest, hence *Brother* Andre Marie) -- yes, so?  He is simply linking to an interesting and incisive article by Ebert, who actually addresses the sources of his own liberalism and rebellion against tradition.  Secondly, by marriage do you mean Ebert's marriage since Bro. Andre Marie refers to Ebert's wife?  I don't think anyone here would know.  Or are you speaking metaphorically?