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Renew America

Matt C. Abbott

In my August column, I printed an e-mail by homosexual activist David Thorstad, a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). Thorstad took issue with Brian Clowes' essay "Homosexuality and the Church Crisis," reprinted in this column, in which Dr. Clowes referred to Thorstad as a convicted pederast. Thorstad admits to being a pederast, but says he has never been charged with any sex crime.

Dr. Clowes responded to Thorstad and the word "convicted" has been deleted from the essay. Thorstad very recently sent Dr. Clowes and me a follow-up e-mail, much lengthier than his first one. I've decided to print a significant portion of Thorstad's follow-up e-mail below, in order to show that Thorstad, while imbued with a diabolical spirit, is at least intellectually honest in his arguments — akin to the pro-abort who acknowledges that abortion does indeed kill a human being but defends the "right" to kill anyway — unlike many homosexual activists.

I believe Thorstad is evil, yet he, wittingly or unwittingly, unmasks certain aspects of the homosexualist agenda — are you listening Ann Coulter et al.? — that many people seem not to recognize. Also, his comments about massive, widespread homosexuality among the clergy are chilling, if debatable.



http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/abbott/100822

One of David Thorstad's one-time Jesuit pupils:

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2010...-next.html

http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2009...osing.html
Personally, I think he might be right that a very large number of Catholic priests have homosexual inclinations and a large minority have at some point committed homosexual acts.

There appear to me to be a HECK of a large number of camp, effeminate Novus Ordo priests (at least here in England).  Obviously being effeminate does not mean you are a homo or even homosexually inclined, but there tends to be a correlation.

The Rite of Sodomy (a book by Randy Engel) suggests that this is a huge problem and that various seminaries in the English speaking world, at least, have been turning away heterosexual men for years.  I know of several men who tried to become priests in the NO Church in the early 1980s who were turned away because (they felt) that they were not camp enough.  I know of other seminarians who gave up wanting to become priests because the seminary they attended was packed with practicing homos some of whom were sleeping together at the seminary.

I'd like to think that this pervert is exaggerating, but sadly I think not.
What's sadder is that they used to turn away homosexual men, not the other way around...
Rejection of homosexual unions by the Church

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ns_en.html

Those with homosexual tendencies are not to be admitted to the seminary or holy Orders

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ne_en.html

Any opposite statement regardig the Roman Catholic Church comes from ignorantia crassa (intended) or dolum malum 
I'm currently reading Ungodly Rage, by Donna Steichen, which is about "Catholic feminism."  She shows how the changes hit the religious orders so fast that instead of the apostates leaving and the orthodox staying, as most people would assume, it was the other way around: many faithful ones left because they couldn't take it anymore (one ex-nun said, "I didn't have anyone to pray with anymore"), and the ones who wanted to create New Church stayed.  She also explores just how radical they became, bringing witchcraft and Eastern religions into the convents -- anything to topple the 'patriarchy.'

Anyway, that ties into this topic because of how many vocation directors were women religious.  Now I understand better why they started rejecting men who were respectful of the papacy and the Blessed Mother, and allowing in those who were effeminate or who seemed flexible in their views.  (They've redefined 'virginity' to mean 'lack of dependence on any man,' which means it's renewable, which paradoxically encourages experimentation.  So they've done some very weird things with their theology regarding Our Lady.)  It wasn't an accident.
(08-23-2010, 08:50 AM)glgas Wrote: [ -> ]Rejection of homosexual unions by the Church

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ns_en.html

Those with homosexual tendencies are not to be admitted to the seminary or holy Orders

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ne_en.html

Any opposite statement regardig the Roman Catholic Church comes from ignorantia crassa (intended) or dolum malum 

Problem is, like with all the rules in the post-VII world, they're ignored and not talked about. The Church needs to start hammering on these things more, and sin needs to become a regular pulpit topic again.
Guys like Thorstad are always talking about the shortcomings of objective Catholic moral principles.
Many homosexual inclined priests overlook and ignore the moral teachings of Jesus on this issue and others and one day they will have to stand before Almighty God and answer why they didn't teach his teachings clearly, correctly and without compromise, I'd hate to be in their shoes!
My cousin became a NO priest, he attended St Charles Borromeo seminary.  I do distinctly remember visiting him several times and noticing that MANY of the other seminarians there were very effeminate. 
(08-23-2010, 08:50 AM)glgas Wrote: [ -> ]Rejection of homosexual unions by the Church

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ns_en.html

Those with homosexual tendencies are not to be admitted to the seminary or holy Orders

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congre...ne_en.html

Any opposite statement regardig the Roman Catholic Church comes from ignorantia crassa (intended) or dolum malum 

The stunning naivety.

Please do read "Goodbye, Good Men".  Seriously - please read it.  And then let us know what you think of the subject.
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