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Christians Stabbed, Beaten With Plank Near Indonesia's Capital

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/09/12/...latestnews

Published September 12, 2010
| Associated Press

BEKASI, Indonesia (AP) — Assailants stabbed a Christian worshipper in the stomach and pounded a minister in the head with a wooden plank as they headed to morning prayers Sunday outside Indonesia's capital.

Neither of the injuries appeared to be life-threatening.

No one claimed responsibility for the attacks. But suspicion immediately fell on Islamic hard-liners who have repeatedly warned members of the Batak Christian Protestant Church against worshipping on a field housing their now-shuttered church.

In recent months, they have thrown shoes and water bottles at the church members, interrupted sermons with chants of "Infidels!" and "Leave Now!" and dumped piles of feces on the land.

Local police Chief Imam Sugianto said Asia Sihombing, a worshipper, was on his way to the field when assailants jumped off a motorcycle and stabbed him in the stomach.



"I was trying to help get him onto a motorcycle so we could get him to a hospital," she told reporters in the industrial city of Bekasi, 25 miles (40 kilometers) east of Jakarta.

She said the face of one of the assailants looked familiar.

Indonesia, a secular country of 237 million people, has more Muslims than any other in the world. Though it has a long history of religious tolerance, a small extremist fringe has become more vocal in recent years.

Leading the charge against the Batak Christians has been the Islamic Defenders Front, which is pushing for the implementation of Islamic-based laws in Bekasi and other parts of the nation.

They are known for smashing bars, attacking transvestites and going after those considered blasphemous with bamboo clubs and stones. They also pressured the local government early this year to shutter the Batak church.

Perpetrators are rarely punished or even questioned by police.

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, who relies heavily on Islamic parties in parliament, has been widely criticized in the media for failing to crack down on hard-liners.

But he immediately called on authorities to investigate and to hold accountable those responsible for Sunday's attack.

"We know who's behind it," said Maj. Gen. Timur Pradopo, the police chief in Jakarta, without elaborating. "But I don't believe this is an inter-religous conflict."

Judging from the title of this thread, it's interesting how we in the West [sic] assume that one billion folk all operate in tandem, as if an action in one part of the world will effect the opinions of those in another part, sharing a different language, culture, paradigm, etc.
(09-12-2010, 10:29 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]Judging from the title of this thread, it's interesting how we in the West [sic] assume that one billion folk all operate in tandem, as if an action in one part of the world will effect the opinions of those in another part, sharing a different language, culture, paradigm, etc.

I'm not sure if you got the point of the thread. Members of the Catholic Church are doing the unspeakable - blessing the Qur'an - while elsewhere in the world, Protestants are being "subdued" by faithful Muslims. In other words, what's being done in the name of "ecumenism" - which properly concerns Catholics and dissident Christians - is a bad joke, (and worse - religious indifferentism) while Muslims are all too serious about defeating and/or exterminating us (they were chanting, "Death to Christians!" in Pakistan the other day). We're playing patty cake while they're conducting war (if even on a small scale).

I'm not suggesting that we should be doing to them what they're doing to us, but I am suggesting that we preach the Gospel for a change, and break loose of the false ecumenical, inter-faith shackles, all the while publicly resisting Islamic efforts to introduce and enact Sharia Law in various countries. Afterwards, we need to restore the doctrine of the Social Kingship of Christ. We're in a war for the souls of the world.
(09-12-2010, 10:29 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]Judging from the title of this thread, it's interesting how we in the West [sic] assume that one billion folk all operate in tandem, as if an action in one part of the world will effect the opinions of those in another part, sharing a different language, culture, paradigm, etc.

Let's look at this Credo.  A man in England writes a book about people in the Middle East and suddenly his life is in danger.  So much so that he has to go into hiding for years.

Then a man in Denmark makes a film that certain religion.  He's later killed for making said movie by someone of said religion.

Then a Danish man prints a picture of Mohamed, and people all over the WEST are injured and killed by people of said religion.

Not to mention all the people who are beaten, harassed, and killed because their religion is NOT the same of said religion.

And you have the nerve to say this?  You, sir, are a fool to underestimate these people and deserve the berating you get on this forum.
(09-13-2010, 12:12 PM)dymphna17 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-12-2010, 10:29 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]Judging from the title of this thread, it's interesting how we in the West [sic] assume that one billion folk all operate in tandem, as if an action in one part of the world will effect the opinions of those in another part, sharing a different language, culture, paradigm, etc.

Let's look at this Credo.  A man in England writes a book about people in the Middle East and suddenly his life is in danger.  So much so that he has to go into hiding for years.

Then a man in Denmark makes a film that certain religion.  He's later killed for making said movie by someone of said religion.

Then a Danish man prints a picture of Mohamed, and people all over the WEST are injured and killed by people of said religion.

Not to mention all the people who are beaten, harassed, and killed because their religion is NOT the same of said religion.

And you have the nerve to say this?  You, sir, are a fool to underestimate these people and deserve the berating you get on this forum.

Iraqui people who are Christian  since the time of Jesus, at least 8 centuries before Islam took over that region are obliged to flee under death threat from the muslims in Syria (until Syria too will chase them away).
This doesn't make the head lines of newspapers in the US.
Muslim students in Melbourne urinating and burning Bibles, this doesn't look to disturb the media anymore.
Christians in Indonesia beaten and insulted (yesterday), who cares?
(09-13-2010, 12:12 PM)dymphna17 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-12-2010, 10:29 PM)Credo Wrote: [ -> ]Judging from the title of this thread, it's interesting how we in the West [sic] assume that one billion folk all operate in tandem, as if an action in one part of the world will effect the opinions of those in another part, sharing a different language, culture, paradigm, etc.

Let's look at this Credo.  A man in England writes a book about people in the Middle East and suddenly his life is in danger.  So much so that he has to go into hiding for years.

Then a man in Denmark makes a film that certain religion.  He's later killed for making said movie by someone of said religion.

Then a Danish man prints a picture of Mohamed, and people all over the WEST are injured and killed by people of said religion.

Not to mention all the people who are beaten, harassed, and killed because their religion is NOT the same of said religion.

And you have the nerve to say this?  You, sir, are a fool to underestimate these people and deserve the berating you get on this forum.

But, he does have a point ...

We like our nice little tidy dichotomies in the West ... most of them false.

We pit Capitalism vs. Communism, Allies vs. Axis, Christians vs. Muslims and it's always that one is "good" and one is "bad".

Looking at issues like that doesn't address the real problem. We can easily see bad things the "good guys" were doing and good things the "bad guys" were doing. Perfect example, and hateful and evil as Hitler was, the Nazis opposed the Communists, while we "good guys" willingly sided with them. In fact, had we not, it is very possible that the Germans might have been able to destroy or at least severely maim Communist Russia, while we still could probably have eventually won the war against Hitler without the Russians. That doesn't make their evil actions good or justifiable, but it's not as simple as we would like to make it. We immorally killed at least a half million innocent people in Japan using nuclear weapons. That doesn't make us evil, but that action certainly was, and we can't just simplify it out of existence. Reality isn't simple to look at through Catholic moral spectacles.

Indeed, some groups of Muslims (and really these are the actual Muslim believers ... most of the "moderate Muslims" like "moderate Christians" just treat their religion like a cafeteria counter), do get intensely enraged at news reports of anything anti-Islam, but usually it's only when the media makes note of it.

A perfect example of this is the ban on Minarets in Switzerland that passed recently. This was a directly anti-Muslim law in a European country very near others which have large, and growing Muslim populations. Yet, from what I've heard, no killings, beatings, burnings or even major protests have resulted. Yet, as you cite, we have contrary examples.

There is a common thread to the contrary examples, however. All of those things were intentional attacks against the religion. It is no wonder that those provoked responses. In fact, such attacks against Christians also happen regularly, but because Christianity is truly a religion of peace, we don't see much more that an inflamed editorial or protest. We deal with attacks (the few of us who are principles), by praying for our enemies, not threatening them or killing them. There we can see the differences in principles between Muslims and Christianity.

We really only see active persecutions of Christians where Muslims have a majority or near majority of the population (In fact we see persecutions of Christians by Hindus as well in majority Hindu areas). In such places, the Muslims are just going on principles ... which dictate that they should make non-Muslims submit out of fear and once in power, they should force non-Muslims "of the book" to convert through the dhimmi and other mostly non-violent methods.

Where I think Credo does have a point is that we don't see a billion people responding when such attacks are made. We see a devout few sticking to their principles and retaliating. That devout group is probably much more sizable than devout Catholics.

Darryl also makes a good point. The asinine ideas of the "religious dialog" crowd also don't help. The "blessing the Qurans" didn't do anything to stop persecutions of Christians. They also don't see understand the complexities of reality. The bad trips they've had since 1960 have hopefully warped their minds enough that God will have mercy on their souls.

There are two solutions to this problem.

First, we need to stop needlessly provoking such attacks. Toy with a hornet and you're going to eventually get stung. It makes no sense to print such editorial cartoons or burn Qurans. It also makes no sense to needlessly involve ourselves in Muslim affairs. Muslims attack us, not because of our way of life, but because we've got our fingers in their pots, and not for noble reasons. Such actions are pointless and are never going to bear any good fruit. How many times have teasing and taunting won converts? Of course there will be times when such provocation is necessary, but just as in any kind of good relations, you don't go out of your way to provoke someone. It's not only bad form, it's just not the Catholic way of doing things.

Second, we need to find a way to convert these people, or at the very least stop their quiet takeover of the West. So long as it is done by charitable means, it matters not how it is done.
These Sauls need to have deep conversion experiences, and soon.
Matt 5:[11] Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: [12] Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.