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(11-21-2010, 06:05 PM)icecream Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2010, 03:51 PM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]göring personally banned all catholic publications in 1933..

really? no catholic book were printed in germany after 1933?!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Nazi_potentate

I'm not sure about books, but it says, "in 1933, Göring banned all Roman Catholic newspapers in Germany".
oh well that not same thing, still basd though
(11-21-2010, 04:37 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know when or if he abandoned the Church. He was never formally excommunicated but neither were many dubious people throughout the centuries. While certainly he was at least a war criminal, I don't know if he ever publicly professed heresy or if he ever publicly committed any act of apostasy that would render him ipso facto excommunicated.
dosent quite matter because by around age 16 he ceased to believe in Catholicism, there are some reports of him and astrology (these are not widely regarded as legit and its regularly held that he avoided it and thought it absurd, minority saying he dabbled in it from time to time) but in adult life his religious views was a firm belief in a "greater destiny" or "fate" of supernatural origin driving him forward, however I doubt this was the God of Abraham or it having some sort of personification he was thinking about

if one is wondering what a couple individual Catholics thought about national socialism and vice-versa

The Catholicism of super ace Col. Werner Mölders was a major irk of the party, and they worked to suppress knowledge of his devotion among the population, espiecially was tricky when he was KIA

then of course there is one of the most famous resistance members against the Third Reich, Col. Count Claus von Stauffenberg, whose participation in the failed Operation Valkyrie was directly motivated by his Catholicism. And not to forget our Holy Father's family were opposed to National Socialism, so much so they relocated a few times.  

And finally, for those interested, what the actual general Catholic population thought of the National Socialists
http://the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blo...-1932.html
Don't worry folks i'm sure GOD is giving Hitler, Stalin and Mao exactly what they deserve.
(11-21-2010, 07:28 PM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2010, 04:37 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know when or if he abandoned the Church. He was never formally excommunicated but neither were many dubious people throughout the centuries. While certainly he was at least a war criminal, I don't know if he ever publicly professed heresy or if he ever publicly committed any act of apostasy that would render him ipso facto excommunicated.

dosent quite matter because by around age 16 he ceased to believe in Catholicism, there are some reports of him and astrology (these are not widely regarded as legit and its regularly held that he avoided it and thought it absurd, minority saying he dabbled in it from time to time) but in adult life his religious views was a firm belief in a "greater destiny" or "fate" of supernatural origin driving him forward, however I doubt this was the God of Abraham or it having some sort of personification he was thinking about

Nevertheless, Hitler never publicly renounced Catholicism, although he was probably a heretic of some sorts.
The National Socialist Government of Germany is systematically persecuting the SSPX and the Catholic Church as a whole using the same techniques employed in the thirties, especially by marshaling what Dr. Jenkins calls, the "moral panic" of sex abuse scandals.

Jenkins, P (1998). Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. pp. 207–231. ISBN 0300109636.

H/t to Gladium.
According to Fr. Corapi Hitler was an altar boy and he dropped the cruets on the floor and the Bishop screamed and yelled at him and that drove him out of the Church. At the same time another boy across the world dropped the cruets and his Bishop comforted him and told him he was going to become a Bishop...that boy was Archbishop Fulton Sheen. 
(11-21-2010, 08:10 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2010, 07:28 PM)Scythian Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-21-2010, 04:37 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know when or if he abandoned the Church. He was never formally excommunicated but neither were many dubious people throughout the centuries. While certainly he was at least a war criminal, I don't know if he ever publicly professed heresy or if he ever publicly committed any act of apostasy that would render him ipso facto excommunicated.

dosent quite matter because by around age 16 he ceased to believe in Catholicism, there are some reports of him and astrology (these are not widely regarded as legit and its regularly held that he avoided it and thought it absurd, minority saying he dabbled in it from time to time) but in adult life his religious views was a firm belief in a "greater destiny" or "fate" of supernatural origin driving him forward, however I doubt this was the God of Abraham or it having some sort of personification he was thinking about

Nevertheless, Hitler never publicly renounced Catholicism, although he was probably a heretic of some sorts.

A good part of his political approach was to appeal to the Catholic Church's hostility to Bolshevism while portraying himself as a savior of Western culture.  It worked with prelates like Bishop von Galen, but not for long.
(11-21-2010, 08:14 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]According to Fr. Corapi Hitler was an altar boy and he dropped the cruets on the floor and the Bishop screamed and yelled at him and that drove him out of the Church. At the same time another boy across the world dropped the cruets and his Bishop comforted him and told him he was going to become a Bishop...that boy was Archbishop Fulton Sheen. 

That was Tito.  I remember the same story according to Bishop Sheen.  Sorry if I seem pedantic here.
(11-21-2010, 08:13 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote: [ -> ]H/t to Gladium.

Sorry, but what does this mean? (edit: I figured it out <_<)
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