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(12-07-2010, 12:39 PM)Ockham Wrote: [ -> ]If anyone thinks Pope Benedict XVI is going to snap his fingers and ban all post-V2 changes they are delusional.  It will take years - generations - to restore the Church and rebuild from the damage the modernists have done.  It is easier to destroy than to build and easier to dumb down than smarten up.  Incremental changes in the right direction are to be appreciated not condemned as being too small.

He could if he wanted too, but since he was one of the architects of the V2 mess he has no interest in getting rid of the changes.  This is the guy who says we are in communion with heretics and schismatics.
(12-07-2010, 11:07 PM)NorthernTrad Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-07-2010, 12:39 PM)Ockham Wrote: [ -> ]If anyone thinks Pope Benedict XVI is going to snap his fingers and ban all post-V2 changes they are delusional.  It will take years - generations - to restore the Church and rebuild from the damage the modernists have done.  It is easier to destroy than to build and easier to dumb down than smarten up.  Incremental changes in the right direction are to be appreciated not condemned as being too small.

He could if he wanted too, but since he was one of the architects of the V2 mess he has no interest in getting rid of the changes.  This is the guy who says we are in communion with heretics and schismatics.

Even more so, according to a certain priest (whose name shall remain anonymous) who spoke with Bp. Fellay very recently, Benedict XVI has stated that Rome has no intention of abandoning the new ecumenical direction of the Church.
(12-07-2010, 08:37 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-07-2010, 08:36 PM)Ockham Wrote: [ -> ]Do you acknowledge he's the heir of St. Peter?

It does not matter if he does or does not for purposes of the discussion

Agreed, and thank you for pointing that out.
(12-07-2010, 11:04 PM)NorthernTrad Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-06-2010, 05:00 AM)Jacafamala Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-05-2010, 08:03 PM)FatherCekada Wrote: [ -> ]Hard indeed to imagine the sour old 70s Stalinist Archbishop Pilarczyk permitting this type of glasnost.

As a long-time denizen of the Greater Cincinnati metropolitan area and an interested observer of the trad scene here, I believe that the St. Mark's announcement is connected with St. Pius X's move from the city down to Walton (at least 25 miles to the south.)

While this particular point probably didn't occur to Abp. Schnurr himself, I'm sure it did to whoever proposed the idea to him. My guess: it came from a former St. Pius X parishioner who got involved in the Motu Proprio group.

Another facet of the St. Mark's choice that's gone unremarked: it's just five minutes away from Fr. Willliam Jenkins' Immaculate Conception Church in Norwood, which is affiliated (at least loosely) with Bishop Kelly's SSPV.

There is no way to convince me that this wasn't a factor in choosing St. Mark's, since the Archdiocese was ticked when Fr. Jenkins' group managed to buy Immaculate Conception from them using a front corporation. I think it was payback time.

Unlike myself and the rest of the SGG clergy, moreover, Fr. Jenkins avoids speaking about controversial questions concerning the pope, the Church, and Catholic doctrine. Most of this is reduced to matters of mere opinion, so there would be no reason for some of his parishioners, perhaps, not to avail themselves of a convenient and "legal" option nearby.

Meanwhile down in Walton, the Diocese of Covington set up a Motu Mass at a beautiful new (and traditionally designed) church just across I-71 from the new St. Pius X installation.

A possible marketing pitch: Why settle for SSPX's "partial communion" with the pope, when you can get "full communion" with the pope in a nice church just across the road?

If it's just "Latin Mass Catholicism" you're interested in, it's pretty hard to beat that.

All these developments are very interesting to watch. Someone in the local Vatican II hierarchy, it seems, is paying attention to strategy.

More TLM's = better. Who says these churches can't coexist? You can't be so exclusive and expect to restore Catholicism.

Catholics and heretics do not coexist.  The Mass is only Catholic if the priest has the True Faith, and not the bag of regurgetated heresies known collectively as the documents of Vatican II. 

So is it that you don't like the FSSP? Don't they do a good job of training their priests? If the FSSP had an irregular status, would you like them better?
(12-07-2010, 09:41 PM)Ockham Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-07-2010, 08:36 PM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]you speak of what you don't know....the jury is still not out on B16

Is the jury in or out?

The purpose of this discussion is to announce a new TLM parish.  Good news!  Alas, someone always has to complain that it's not enough, do some Pope bashing, call someone a neo-con, and basically rain on the parade.  Shouldn't traditional Catholics blessed with the wisdom of Holy Mother Church be in a good mood most of the time?  If by their fruits you shall know them then why are some trads miserable?
I think it is good news, too. But in general, these are very bad times.
Nice Church
Nice Mass
Nice letter from Bishop
Nice restoration project

What's there to complain about.....?

Take the few crumbs offered and hope for the best~
(12-07-2010, 10:31 PM)INPEFESS Wrote: [ -> ]It is wrong to try to snare him by forcing him to answer a question concerning his views on a banned topic here.

I think what he asked bears re-asking:

If there are to be no snares then what he asks has no bearing.  The incessant Pope-bashing speaks for itself.
(12-07-2010, 09:41 PM)Ockham Wrote: [ -> ]If by their fruits you shall know them then why are some trads miserable?


If you want the answer to this...you need to visit the Candyland thread
what this candyland thread i keep hearin g about?
(12-08-2010, 03:07 PM)icecream Wrote: [ -> ]what this candyland thread i keep hearin g about?

In case you haven't found it already: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/inde...097.0.html
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