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Priests threaten Mass exodus over changes to liturgy
Leesha McKenny and Barney Zwartz
February 19, 2011
Sydney Morning Herald

THE Catholic Church is facing open defiance over its new Mass, with at least a dozen Australian priests indicating they will refuse to use it when it comes into force later this year.

Hundreds more are angry about the lack of consultation for the new, more literal translation of the 400-year-old Latin text, which was heavily influenced by a Vatican advisory committee headed by the Sydney Archbishop, Cardinal George Pell.

What supporters say is a suitably elevated and poetic text more faithful to the original Latin is seen by detractors as an outdated, contrived and less inclusive version that ignores modern English and could further alienate Catholics from the church. It has become the latest battleground in the culture wars between progressive Catholics and traditionalists over the direction of reforms stemming from the 1960s Vatican Council, which allowed the faithful to celebrate the liturgy in their own language for the first time.

To be gradually introduced from June, the new Mass will be the compulsory version of the English mass by November.

But Father John Crothers, the parish priest of St Declan's parish in Penshurst, said he could not in good conscience use the text, which he believed to go against the 1960s Vatican Council's spirit of ''aggiornamento'', meaning ''up-to-date''.

''I've no problems with changing things - it's part of my philosophy that you've got to change and grow and develop. It's the fact that this is going backwards instead of going forwards,'' he said. ''I won't be saying the priest part. If the people wanted to do the responses in the new translation, it's up to them.''

In Ireland this month a group representing more than 400 priests publicly denounced the new translation as ''archaic, elitist and obscure'' and urged their bishops to delay the changes for at least five years until the clergy and laity were consulted.

The chairman of the National Council of Priests of Australia, Father Ian McGinnity, said hundreds of its 1600 members were ''pretty steamed up'' at the Vatican's lack of consultation but most had not yet decided how to respond. At least a dozen had indicated they would not use the new English translation, he said.

''We're also very concerned that the language, the idiom, might perhaps estrange more Catholics from participation in the Eucharist,'' he said.

Asked what sanctions a local bishop could apply to defiant priests, Father McGinnity said: "I really don't know. I suppose he could suspend a bloke. But given the [priest] shortage, it's unlikely."

Father Crothers said he had told Cardinal Pell his position at a clergy conference last year.

''I said at the conference, 'I won't be doing it, and where do I stand there?' And he's just said that he expected all the priests will do it.''

Archbishop Denis Hart of Melbourne, the vice-chairman of the international translation committee, said consultation had been extensive but there would have to be ''dialogue and encouragement'' with opponents. ''I think a lot of the criticism is really a fear of what we think the thing is, and when we get to the reality, it's not like that at all.''

The executive director of the National Liturgy Commission, Peter Williams, who has spent the past year travelling the country to explain the new Mass, said it had already been successfully introduced in New Zealand.

''I think that's what's going to happen here. Of course there will be some irritability, but in due course people will have made the change."

http://www.smh.com.au/national/priests-t...rom=smh_sb
Then they should leave. If these priests r so willing to leave the faith then byball means down let the door hot house on the way out.
Better to have the cancer leave then stay
that's why they will stay. If they did slave they woudl have no power to keep ruining and eating away at the church
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This is not surprising.

Where was this attitude in 1970?
Priests and bishops were obedient to a fault back then.
(02-22-2011, 09:39 AM)Bakuryokuso Wrote: [ -> ]Priests threaten Mass exodus over changes to liturgy

''We're also very concerned that the language, the idiom, might perhaps estrange more Catholics from participation in the Eucharist,'' he said.

If it stops people who are fornicating and contracepting from receiving Communion that would be a good thing. 

These priests with their "spirit of Vatican II" and their "aggiornamento" have not been notably successful in making Catholicism relevant for people.  At least that is what the ever-decreasing church attendance seems to indicate.  Why should anyone think they have a clue what they are talking about?  I found most of the quotes in this article infuriating.  Hopping Mad


Good let them go let the schism begin its better to seperate the wheat from the chaff then deal with these faggots any longer.
(02-22-2011, 12:10 PM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-22-2011, 09:39 AM)Bakuryokuso Wrote: [ -> ]Priests threaten Mass exodus over changes to liturgy

''We're also very concerned that the language, the idiom, might perhaps estrange more Catholics from participation in the Eucharist,'' he said.

If it stops people who are fornicating and contracepting from receiving Communion that would be a good thing. 

These priests with their "spirit of Vatican II" and their "aggiornamento" have not been notably successful in making Catholicism relevant for people.  At least that is what the ever-decreasing church attendance seems to indicate.  Why should anyone think they have a clue what they are talking about?   I found most of the quotes in this article infuriating.  Hopping Mad

I hear ya Jane. I dont get these "Priests" and whats worse is I can almost guarantee that their Bishops wont do crap about it.
(02-22-2011, 09:39 AM)Bakuryokuso Wrote: [ -> ]urged their bishops to delay the changes for at least five years

I have read this before and I think its code for. "Benedict is almost 84 he can't last that much longer hopefully he'll kick it and we will get our liberal Pope we want that will let us use Mass for Children as the Eucharistic prayer".
(02-22-2011, 12:10 PM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ] I found most of the quotes in this article infuriating.  Hopping Mad

Same here. They just don't get it.  Doh!

I live in Australia and, I can't say that this article corresponds with the reactions of any of the priests I know. I would say that the majority are happy to use the new translation, and the minority, like the ones interviewed in this article, are opposed to it. Or that whoever has written it has taken the priest's ideas/quotes out of context. But looking at the pic of him, he seems quite the liberal- no collar!  Wink
But anyway- imo, the SMH (Sydney Morning Herald) is not a reliable newspaper for Catholic news in general. Anything they say about the Church should be taken with a grain of salt i.e as a joke!
Try The Record instead! http://www.therecord.com.au
These dissidents, and those like them can just take a hike. Goodbye!  Ciao
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