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Humanly speaking, yes. A complete waste of time.
Quote:High-level doctrinal talks between the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) and officials at the Vatican started about two and a half years ago, in September 2009. Now, according to Bishop Bernard Fellay, superior general of the SSPX, the negotiations are almost over, and nothing concrete appears to have been achieved.

Bishop Fellay says that the aim of the talks was to make the faith “understood in Rome” – yet he accepts that the Vatican participants have not changed their minds about any of the disputed issues. Another SSPX bishop, the disgraced Bishop Richard Williamson, described it as a “dialogue of the deaf”, in which neither side went into the discussion with any notion of compromise or of budging on their positions.

On the other hand, Pope Benedict XVI is determined to heal the divisions within the Church. In his Motu Proprio, Summorum Pontificum, he wrote that every effort must be made to achieve unity. The SSPX and the Vatican talking to each other brings the prospect of that unity closer than if there were no dialogue at all. Bishop Fellay himself says the talks were of “capital importance” – even if he is only interested in persuading Rome that he and his SSPX followers are right.

So, were the negotiations a waste of time? Or were they an important step on the long road towards unity?

Catholic Herald.co.uk
Quote:Asked whether the Vatican participants in the talks have changed their thinking in light of the talks, Bishop Fellay answered: “I don’t think that you can say that.”

He added that recent events at the Vatican have, in fact, dispelled any “illusions” of progress.

“I am thinking about the announcement of the beatification of John Paul II or the announcement of a new Assisi event along the lines of the interreligious gatherings in 1986 and 2002,” he said.

Bishop Fellay said the scheduled beatification of Pope John Paul II on May 1 poses “a serious problem, the problem of a pontificate that caused things to proceed by leaps and bounds in the wrong direction, along ‘progressive’ lines, toward everything that they call ‘the spirit of Vatican II’.”

He said it was a “mystery” to him how Pope Benedict could convene another interreligious gathering next October in Assisi. The society was highly critical of the first such encounter 25 years ago.

“To ask people to perform religious acts during that gathering is absurd, because there is a radical lack of understanding among the various religions,” Bishop Fellay said.
What about spiritually Vetus?  First encounters don't always produce instant results.  The SSPX has to go to Rome, no?  We need Rome.
(02-25-2011, 01:24 PM)Christus Imperat Wrote: [ -> ]What about spiritually Vetus?  First encounters don't always produce instant results.  The SSPX has to go to Rome, no?  We need Rome.

Rome needs the true faith like everyone else.

Spiritually there might have been some fruits in these discussions, only God knows. Humanly speaking, though, it's been a disaster.
(02-25-2011, 01:26 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-25-2011, 01:24 PM)Christus Imperat Wrote: [ -> ]What about spiritually Vetus?  First encounters don't always produce instant results.  The SSPX has to go to Rome, no?  We need Rome.

Rome needs the true faith like everyone else.

Spiritually there might have been some fruits in these discussions, only God knows. Humanly speaking, though, it's been a disaster.

Whatever the case may be, I'm sure Our Lord has a better grasp of the mess than we do.  May He and His Blessed Mother guide us!  Pray
(02-25-2011, 01:27 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever the case may be, I'm sure Our Lord has a better grasp of the mess than we do.  May He and His Blessed Mother guide us!   Pray

Indeed.

Only God can guide us out of this mess. We're all manifestly incompetent to do it on our own.
(02-25-2011, 01:28 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-25-2011, 01:27 PM)3Sanctus Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever the case may be, I'm sure Our Lord has a better grasp of the mess than we do.  May He and His Blessed Mother guide us!   Pray

Indeed.

Only God can guide us out of this mess. We're all manifestly incompetent to do it on our own.

Amen!
Have patience...

To draw a parallel: when the talks stalled, the Rekjavik Summit was initially thought to have been a failure.  In retrospect, it wasn't.

I'm immediately suspicious of any article that uses the phrase "disgraced Bishop Richard Williamson." 
The very fact of these talks happening at all is huge.  The results will come.  God will restore vitality and vigor to the Church.
Bishop Fellay knows this, and it'll take the Consecration of Russia,and the full disclosure of the so called Third Secret. There can be No Period of Peace, unless there is unity, and end to abortion and birth control. By definition these will not come until the Pope with all of the Bishops Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. At this time in the rebellion the Rosary is more effective than the AK-47. ratatatatat Bishop Fellay and the SSPX have done their best. Heroic and never a waste of time! The Lord calls us to be faithful not to be successful.

tim
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