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(03-19-2011, 06:19 PM)aquinas138 Wrote: [ -> ]I can think of no bar to believing that others might have been purified while still in the womb.

Those "purifications in the womb" must be exceptional, otherwise Baptism becomes irrelevant and with it, Christ.
(03-19-2011, 07:04 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-19-2011, 06:19 PM)aquinas138 Wrote: [ -> ]I can think of no bar to believing that others might have been purified while still in the womb.

Those "purifications in the womb" must be exceptional, otherwise Baptism becomes irrelevant and with it, Christ.

Certainly.  I don't personally believe in any of them.
(03-19-2011, 07:04 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-19-2011, 06:19 PM)aquinas138 Wrote: [ -> ]I can think of no bar to believing that others might have been purified while still in the womb.

Those "purifications in the womb" must be exceptional, otherwise Baptism becomes irrelevant and with it, Christ.

From what I understand, Christ is the Savior of all, so when someone is preserved from sin or is cleansed in the womb, Christ still died for them, His Passion is applied to them before His death, since He is outside of time. So if St. Joseph wasn't immaculately conceived, I feel it would be appropriate that he at least was cleansed like St. John. Some think he was assumed into heaven, or was one of the saints raised on Good Friday.
Since the concensus here is that those don't happen, did St. Joseph and St. John sin? What does one say about Our Lord's injunction that St. John is the greatest born of woman, but we give more honor to Ouur Lord's parents?
For something as miraculously outstanding as a purification from sin as that attributed to Blessed John the Baptist in the womb of St. Elizabeth, I would think that there would be some mention in scripture or at the least some ancient tradition. Since there is neither in the case of St. Joseph, I think it is questionable to believe that he was purified in the womb. It is, however, a pious and ancient belief that St. Joseph never committed any actual sin. The same is the case with St. John Vianney.
(03-19-2011, 01:29 PM)randomtradguy Wrote: [ -> ]I also believe that St. Joseph was immaculately conceived, or at least did not sin, but I'm no theologian. Are there any links that can be given about this topic?
And links about his tomb discovery as well?

These might help,as far as the pious belief in his sanctification is concerned:

http://www.catholictradition.org/Joseph/joseph25.htm

http://www.catholictradition.org/Joseph/joseph21.htm

For what it's worth, in the apparitions that Sister Mildred Mary Neuzil saw (Our Lady of America), she said St. Joseph told her he was sanctified in his mother's womb.

His tomb hasn't been discovered as of yet, but here are two links that briefly discuss the topic:

http://www.catholictradition.org/Joseph/...b.htm#TOMB

http://www.st-joseph-medal.com
I've read from multiple sources that St. Joseph is the holiest saint after the Blessed Virgin (cf. Hervé, Premm, Tanquerey, 1951 St. Joseph Daily Missal), although I've never heard anything about him being free from personal sin or being sanctified while in the womb.
From the Our Lady of America website:

Fatherhood Must Take Once Again Its Rightful Place Among Men

http://www.ourladyofamerica.com/whatsnew...ongMen.pdf

Messages of St. Joseph to Sr. Mildred (Mary Ephrem) Neuzil
(03-19-2011, 07:19 PM)randomtradguy Wrote: [ -> ]Since the concensus here is that those don't happen, did St. Joseph and St. John sin? What does one say about Our Lord's injunction that St. John is the greatest born of woman, but we give more honor to Ouur Lord's parents?

I think it has more to do with St. John's place in fulfilling the Old Covenant and bringing in the New.  St. Joseph is a close 2nd, if there is such a thing in heaven, but he wasn't part of the prophesies that had to be fulfilled like Our Lady and St. John.
(03-19-2011, 11:56 AM)Adam Wayne Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-19-2011, 02:49 AM)HuskerTom Wrote: [ -> ]1st class Feast Day...woohoo!   ;D

In your excitement, is it safe to assume you are breaking your fast this fine day?

I did allow myself a large breakfast after Mass this morning, so I guess you could say so.  :-[
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