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Are these guys for real?  ???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion...tican.html



Knights Templar heirs demand apology from Vatican
The heirs to the Knights Templar have demanded an apology from the Vatican for the murder of their last leader, who was burned at the stake in the 14th century.

Jacques de Molay was burnt at the stake in 1314, and his heirs hold the Vatican partially responsible Photo: ALAMY  By Nick Squires, Rome
7:30AM BST 17 Jun 2011
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The last Grand Master of the warrior monks who fought in the Crusades, Jacques de Molay, was executed in Paris in 1314 on charges of heresy, black magic and idolatry.

His death was part of a concerted campaign to suppress the chivalric order by King Philip IV of France, who had grown suspicious of the Templars' power and envious of their wealth.

Although it was the French king who ordered de Molay to be put to death, the Templars have for centuries accused the Church in Rome of complicity.

Pope Clement V initiated an inquest into the order which led to many knights being subjected to heresy trials, before disbanding altogether.

The movement was reborn in the early 19th century as a charitable organisation and has branches around the world.
The Italian chapter of the order has written to Pope Benedict XVI asking him to issue a pardon for de Molay and to acknowledge that he was a victim of false accusations.

"There was an enormous degree of complicity because Clement V, who was Pope at the time, was under huge pressure from King Philip," Walter Grandis, 64, the current head or Grand Prior of the Knights Templar in Italy, told The Daily Telegraph.

"This was an appalling crime and a miscarriage of justice that the Church allowed to happen.

"We're asking for de Molay to be pardoned so that we can finally turn a page in history and work towards reconciliation," said Mr Grandis, who recently wrote a book on the order, called The Templars: The Real Secret.

A document found in the Vatican Secret Archives a decade ago revealed that Clement V absolved some Templars of heresy, but the Church has never apologised for the order's persecution.

The request for a pardon and apology was submitted to Dr Guzman Carriquiry Lecour, the under-secretary for the Pontifical Council for the Laity, a few weeks ago but will be discussed by modern-day Templars at a special conference in Turin on Friday and Saturday.

A Vatican spokesman said the request was being considered.

The inheritors of the Templar chivalric code have also launched a bid to rehabilitate de Molay, nearly 700 years after his death.

They achieved a small victory in March when a town in north-eastern Italy agreed to rename one of its squares in his honour.

A grand ceremony was held in Lusevera, a town in the Friuli-Venezia Giulia region on the border with Slovenia, during which the new name – Piazzale Jacques de Molay – was unveiled. A sign commemorates the knight as "a martyr to free thought".

"It is the first time in Europe that de Molay has been recognised in this way," said Mr Grandis.
God love him, but if Pope JPII was still around there may have been a formal apology given.  These guys are completely out to lunch.
Quote:A document found in the Vatican Secret Archives a decade ago revealed that Clement V absolved some Templars of heresy, but the Church has never apologised for the order's persecution.

It sounds like this was addressed a long time ago. 

The only reason people like these attention seekers even try stunts like this is because the Chuch leadership has a dearth of testicular fortitude.
Did the Knights Templar deserve what they got or was this just some Vatican politics? 
(06-22-2011, 10:20 PM)Pheo Wrote: [ -> ]God love him, but if Pope JPII was still around there may have been a formal apology given.  These guys are completely out to lunch.

Quoted for truth
they are not the heirs of the templars

there has been no continuity but one group can be considered th eheirs and it is these hardass fellows

http://www.ordo-militiae-templi.org/inde...D_lingua=2

If this is the Order of DeMolay we're talking about, it's a Masonic group for teenaged boys/young men.

Your father has to be a Mason for you to be eligible for membership, though maybe you can be "grandfathered" in or "uncled" in.
Stupid Masons, heroic militancy is for Catholics
(06-22-2011, 11:27 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Knights Templar deserve what they got or was this just some Vatican politics? 
Maybe a little bit of both.......but you can bet it was all about money.

The King of France was broke fighting useless wars in the ME ( Has anything changed?) and the Templars were excellent managers of money, much to their detriment.

While De Molay and his men were being falsely accused and tortured into submission and eventually burned at the stake, the Pope cowardly fiddled as not to make waves with Phillip and the monarchy. DeMolay cursed them both in the fire and predicted that they would both join him within a year, in which they indeed did.

Sic Semper Tryannis

The Vatican as far as I'm concerned was complicit.
(06-23-2011, 10:32 AM)alaric Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-22-2011, 11:27 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Knights Templar deserve what they got or was this just some Vatican politics? 
Maybe a little bit of both.......but you can bet it was all about money.

The King of France was broke fighting useless wars in the ME ( Has anything changed?) and the Templars were excellent managers of money, much to their detriment.

While De Molay and his men were being falsely accused and tortured into submission and eventually burned at the stake, the Pope cowardly fiddled as not to make waves with Phillip and the monarchy. DeMolay cursed them both in the fire and predicted that they would both join him within a year, in which they indeed did.

Sic Semper Tryannis

The Vatican as far as I'm concerned was complicit.

The pope at the time (Clement V) wasn't even at the Vatican; he was safely ensconced at Avignon where Philip IV could keep an eye on him...

As for the false allegations, the Templars were a pretty secretive group, so they left themselves open to this kind of thing.
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