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(07-28-2011, 11:28 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2011, 11:15 PM)mikemac Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-28-2011, 04:30 PM)JCCMADD Wrote: [ -> ]STALIN AND MAO!

Yeah I would have said marxism too.  From the Black Book of Communism the breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois (the author) is as follows:

    65 million in the People's Republic of China
    20 million in the Soviet Union
    2 million in Cambodia
    2 million in North Korea
    1.7 million in Africa
    1.5 million in Afghanistan
    1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
    1 million in Vietnam
    150,000 in Latin America
    10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."

He cites a death toll which totals 94 million.  This would all be in the 20th century too.  Actually I've read elsewhere that the count for the Soviet Union is over 60 million.  Obviously these weren't all Catholics though.   
Well, taking the 94 million (60 million sounds way too high for the USSR to me and I studied Soviet history in university), the overwhelming majority of the 65 million in China, the two million in Cambodia, the two million in North Korea and the 1.5 million in Afghanistan, were undoubtedly not Catholic. Allowing for, say 20 million in the USSR, high because of the Hlodomor,  all the one million in Eastern Europe, tho' many were Orthodox, alf of the one million in VietNam and all the Latin American deaths, we probably have a total of just under 25 million Catholics killed by the Marxists.

Not good, but I think it would still pale next to the slaughters of Catholics over the 1500 years by the followers of the paedophile.

Yeah jovan it looks like that 94 million count is low, according to this guy who says the communist body count is 149,469,610, with 3,284,000 in the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic from 1918 to 1922 and 58,627,000 in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics from 1922 to 1991.  Again obviously they weren't all Catholic.
http://www.scottmanning.com/content/comm...ody-count/

Rummel has it close to the above numbers too. "Probably 61,911,000 people, 54,769,000 of them citizens, have been murdered by the Communist Party--the government--of the Soviet Union."
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.CHAP.1.HTM
(07-28-2011, 12:08 AM)Melkite Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-27-2011, 11:51 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]When I read about the Saints each day...a great number of martyrs were killed by either Jews or Muslims. So between the two groups, who has killed more Catholics?

Hmm.  Muslims invaded and wiped out Catholic Palestine, Catholic Syria, Catholic Asia Minor, Catholic Egypt, Catholic North Africa, Catholic Spain, Catholic North Albania.  The Jews invaded.....(crickets chirping).  I wonder which group has killed more Catholics?

Into Late Antiquity, Jewish proselytization occurred in conjunction with Jewish migration, leading to the emergence of a number of Judaized Arab tribes and even a Jewish kingdom outside Palestine---the Himyar (Homerite) Kingdom in southern Arabia (within the boundaries of today's Yemen). Several monarchs converted to Judaism, perhaps due to politicking: the monarchy was situated at the intersection of the spheres of influence of great powers: the Eastern Roman Empire and Persia. Among these Judaized Arab kings, Dhu Nuwas ruling in the early sixth century was the most prolific persecutor of Christians, burning Christian Roman merchants alive in pits and massacring perhaps some tens of thousands of Christians at Najran in a program of forced conversion.
How many people of other faiths/beliefs have catholics killed?
(07-29-2011, 05:40 AM)dkpintar Wrote: [ -> ]How many people of other faiths/beliefs have catholics killed?

In self defense? Probably a lot. Otherwise, relatively few.
(07-29-2011, 03:49 PM)CrusaderKing Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 05:40 AM)dkpintar Wrote: [ -> ]How many people of other faiths/beliefs have catholics killed?

In self defense? Probably a lot. Otherwise, relatively few.

What about that whole Conquest of the Americas? How had the Aztecs and Incas threatened the Spaniards o.O?
(07-29-2011, 04:00 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 03:49 PM)CrusaderKing Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 05:40 AM)dkpintar Wrote: [ -> ]How many people of other faiths/beliefs have catholics killed?

In self defense? Probably a lot. Otherwise, relatively few.

What about that whole Conquest of the Americas? How had the Aztecs and Incas threatened the Spaniards o.O?

The Incas and Aztecs threatened, enslaved, and killed many other tribes in Mexico and South America. The Aztecs alone annually sacrificed at least 20,000 members of other tribes to their god Quetzalcoatl. The Spaniards put a stop to human sacrifice, with the help of other tribes, plus their other pagan practices.
(07-29-2011, 04:10 PM)CrusaderKing Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 04:00 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 03:49 PM)CrusaderKing Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-29-2011, 05:40 AM)dkpintar Wrote: [ -> ]How many people of other faiths/beliefs have catholics killed?

In self defense? Probably a lot. Otherwise, relatively few.

What about that whole Conquest of the Americas? How had the Aztecs and Incas threatened the Spaniards o.O?

The Incas and Aztecs threatened, enslaved, and killed many other tribes in Mexico and South America. The Aztecs alone annually sacrificed at least 20,000 members of other tribes to their god Quetzalcoatl. The Spaniards put a stop to human sacrifice, with the help of other tribes, plus their other pagan practices.

The Aztecs certainly did engage in human sacrifice, but let's not kid ourselves and claim this was a primary or even tertiary motive for invading Mexico. 

On the other hand the Incas did not engage in human sacrifice and their government wasn't particularly more blood thirsty than most European kingdoms (although the Incas did have ridiculously high taxes!). 

When Pizzaro captured the Inca, the Inca agreed to convert himself and his kingdom to Catholicism.  Pizzaro agreed to this, but then had him strangled before he could convert (he did get last rites AFTER he died though.  This is just wrong on so many levels.*

*People often claim that the Spaniards killed Montezuma, but that's not true. 
The great hunger isn't just about the blight. There actually was a food surplus the Brits choose to starve Orleans out
and for tha they r responsible and will pay
sip
The Aztecs were stanic monsters. And it wasn't the Spanish showing up and counqering them. If u read he accounts the Spanish were guests of monctezuna when the Aztecs rose and killed and eat spa ish the captured and Cortez and others literally ran for their lives. I was Aztec do inion over all other tribes including the Maya and Cortez genuis tha led to their ruin obviously God played a part.
No reRs here for satanic vile canibal pagans
n tears here for Carthage either
further soon afer the co quest the Spanish made little converts the atexs were stubborn.
The co version of the aztes is directly due to our lady of Guadalupe
u h e a pl. Wihh that
take it up with CHRIST
the works is a betwr place hvingvtue Aztecs gone
sip
(07-29-2011, 05:12 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]The Aztecs certainly did engage in human sacrifice, but let's not kid ourselves and claim this was a primary or even tertiary motive for invading Mexico.
Mexico was explored at first, just as the other lands of the New World were starting in 1492. The Spaniards found out about  the human sacrifice and paganism in due time. The Aztecs were not just minding their own business until the "greedy" Spaniards came along and put an end to their way of life. The Spanish priests and other religious kept any excesses of the Conquistadors in check. The other tribes were glad to be free of the cruelty of the Aztecs. Eventually, millions of them were converted to Catholicism. 

Quote:On the other hand the Incas did not engage in human sacrifice and their government wasn't particularly more blood thirsty than most European kingdoms (although the Incas did have ridiculously high taxes!).
No, but they did engage in slavery of other tribes as well as paganism. They were no innocents, either. 

Quote:When Pizzaro captured the Inca, the Inca agreed to convert himself and his kingdom to Catholicism.  Pizzaro agreed to this, but then had him strangled before he could convert (he did get last rites AFTER he died though.  This is just wrong on so many levels.*
Here again, we're talking about one case in comparison to thousands, if not millions, of others. This is part of what I meant when I said 'relatively few' in my earlier post.

Quote:*People often claim that the Spaniards killed Montezuma, but that's not true. 
Even if they had killed him in battle, it wouldn't have been so terrible of a thing.
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