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Despite our many complaints about the Church in the United States, it seems that the United States is one of the country's that offers the most traditional Latin Masses.  After France, the United States is the country that the SSPX is strongest in.  The United States is also the country that the FSSP is second strongest in after France.  There are numerous editions of the 1962 missal in print in English, suggesting there is a strong market for missals in the English speaking world. 

In contrast, the traditional Latin Mass is very weak in Latin America.  And many Catholic countries in Europe also have very few TLMs, such as Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and Poland.  In addition, it's my understanding that the Phillipines with its overwhelming Catholic population has very few TLMs.  And while Catholicism has made great inroads into Africa, the TLM has not.   

It makes sense that the TLM would have a strong presence in France as Archbishop Lefebvre was french, the SSPX started there, and France has traditionally played a strong role in shaping the liturgy.

But, why the United States? We're a Protestant country with a Catholic minority? Why despite the many flaws in the church here, has the TLM done comparatively well for itself?  How did this masonic republic manage to do a better job when it comes to the TLM compared to traditionally Catholic countries?
For some contrast. There are 70 million Catholics in the United States and according the Society for Ecclesia Dei there are over 400 TLMs offered in the United States.  I believe this number does not include the SSPX.

In contrast, Mexico has 100 million Catholics and offers about 30 TLMs. 
It is because the US is a Christian country and at heart conservative.


In addition we are independent and rebellious in a good way.....don't take shit so to speak...that's why...

Additionally....this is not a masonic republic...that is a piss ant line sold by morons....we are the single most Cathoic country that has ever been according to it's founding documents...no matter who wrote and approved them...
Perhaps it is how VII affected certain countries compared to others?
The bishops too, I'd say, play a large roll. Which is similar to mac's question, on the effects of VII. The USA has a few good bishops, Chaput and Burke come to mind, whereas places like the UK are run amok with liberal nut bars...Canada too. Ever heard of a good, English bishop? Neither have I.
Faith in Africa (south of Sahara) come very late and was left to the Indigenous before had strong roots and in the wake of V2.
Anecdote warning, not paticularly relevant !

Chaput is a native American and a descendant of King Louis. I think that's interesting.

tim
(08-03-2011, 05:43 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]It is because the US is a Christian country and at heart conservative.


In addition we are independent and rebellious in a good way.....don't take shit so to speak...that's why...

Additionally....this is not a masonic republic...that is a piss ant line sold by morons....we are the single most Cathoic country that has ever been according to it's founding documents...no matter who wrote and approved them...

What he said...
I think it's American attitude.  Especially when you compare it to Mexican attitude.  Mexicans just go to church and do what they're told.  Americans research things deeply, and they push for change when they want it.
On a similar note that my friend the General Scipio Africanus said here's an article about how S. Roberto Bellarmine had influence on the founding fathers;

[urlhttp://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6607][/url]

If I am not mistaken that book Patriarcha was in all of the founding father's libraries except one. Gives a new perspective on the thoughts of the founders. Consider they agreed with S. Roberto Bellarmine, and not with the Divine Right of Kings. Search -Bellarmine founding fathers- and you'll get lots of good stuff.

tim
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