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(08-13-2011, 01:53 AM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 01:23 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ]Why did the Mexican people support (and vote in) the secular govt?  What took place in Mexico in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that made all this possible?

Masons (USA) got a foothold of Mexico through Benito Juarez.
The US has never let go ever since.


Ahh...the magic masons...LOL


I think UD was looking for a real answer...not one based on magic...."Oh the masons arrived and the Mexicans.....who had no problem with what had been all of a sudden had problems..."


It don't work that way...WHile the USA is awesome and great...it ain't Masonic...(you've been told this before) and it ain't magic....so...the question is....what was going on in MEXICO...to cause people to rid themselves of one .gopv for another...?


Anyone know the real answer...?  and don't patronize us with masons and joos and America....that will not satisfy...
(08-13-2011, 02:29 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 01:53 AM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 01:23 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ]Why did the Mexican people support (and vote in) the secular govt?  What took place in Mexico in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that made all this possible?

Masons (USA) got a foothold of Mexico through Benito Juarez.
The US has never let go ever since.


Ahh...the magic masons...LOL


I think UD was looking for a real answer...not one based on magic...."Oh the masons arrived and the Mexicans.....who had no problem with what had been all of a sudden had problems..."


It don't work that way...WHile the USA is awesome and great...it ain't Masonic...(you've been told this before) and it ain't magic....so...the question is....what was going on in MEXICO...to cause people to rid themselves of one .gopv for another...?


Anyone know the real answer...?   and don't patronize us with masons and joos and America....that will not satisfy...

Why do you just dismiss the Masons and/or Jews from everything?

I don't know the answer to this question about Mexico, but I wouldn't dismiss the Masons from the equation for no reason. They've done massive damage to western society and the Church along with the zionist Jews.

You can't keep saying they did nothing or they're not involved in this or that.
(08-13-2011, 02:29 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 01:53 AM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 01:23 AM)Underdog Wrote: [ -> ]Why did the Mexican people support (and vote in) the secular govt?  What took place in Mexico in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that made all this possible?

Masons (USA) got a foothold of Mexico through Benito Juarez.
The US has never let go ever since.


Ahh...the magic masons...LOL


I think UD was looking for a real answer...not one based on magic...."Oh the masons arrived and the Mexicans.....who had no problem with what had been all of a sudden had problems..."


It don't work that way...WHile the USA is awesome and great...it ain't Masonic...(you've been told this before) and it ain't magic....so...the question is....what was going on in MEXICO...to cause people to rid themselves of one .gopv for another...?


Anyone know the real answer...?   and don't patronize us with masons and joos and America....that will not satisfy...
Ever read (or in your case) heard about Joel Roberts Poinsett?
Well he fertilized Mexico and planted the Masonic seed.  
Juarez followed suit.
What happened in 1924 (Cristero war) was that President Calles (A mason) wanted to reenact the laws of Juarez with his article law #130.
If this does not satisfy, then start reading a bit about freemasonry in Mexico.  You will "discover" that the US played a vital role.
The mere fact that a Mexican could not run for president much less be one unless he was a mason.

Masons are not "magical", they are a secret sect (society).  
Not saying masons were not involved....don't know....don't care.....because UD was....and now I am asking for the CAUSES...the masons were not the CAUSE...even if they were involved in the solutions (flawed as trhey were)...


the CAUSE...is whatever got folks pissed off enough to dump their .gov....the question is....what was that....


so Gottiemux and kevnhood can spend all day talking about masonic lodges and it changes nothing....what drove people to the masons....it was something....and it was NOT the masons....they are not magic
Scipio, it was masons, joos, and candylanders.
(08-13-2011, 02:49 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying masons were not involved....don't know....don't care.....because UD was....and now I am asking for the CAUSES...the masons were not the CAUSE...even if they were involved in the solutions (flawed as trhey were)...


the CAUSE...is whatever got folks pissed off enough to dump their .gov....the question is....what was that....
The faith, the only religion in Mexico, was standing on a string.
The government, following the communist agenda, took control of the churches (buildings), outlawed priests, outlawed public mass.
The people got really pissed off. When the government started using churches as stables, and the altars as "tables", the Catholics said, enough is enough.
Curiously enough, the pressure from the American bishops for a ceasefire was intense, but the Mexican bishops did not heed their calling. Not until the US bishops spoke to Pope Pius XI, and the holy father (without full knowledge of the situation in Mexico) asked the Mexican ordinariate to call for a truce and a ceasefire.
If there is anything that could be said about Catholics in Mexico (for better or for worse) is that they have blind obedience to the bishops.

In Mexico, more Cristeros died during peacetime, than during the war.  (No more guns)

 
It was definitely the influence of masons and socialists. Even non-Catholic historians would agree with that as would Warren Carroll. Christoper Check has an interesting article on it at Catholic Culture. Along with the anti-clerical laws, the Mexican government forbade the publication of Leo XIII's encyclical "Humanum Genus" which condemned freemasonry and noted that its influence was world wide and pervasive:
""As a result, in the space of a century and a half, the sect of the Freemasons has made incredible progress. Making use at the same time of audacity and cunning, Masonry has invaded all the ranks of social hierarchy, and in the modern States it has begun to seize a power which is almost equivalent to Sovereignty."
From Christopher Check's article at Catholic Culture:

"Imagine going to confession on a Saturday afternoon only to find no priest available. You drive to nearby — or even distant — churches and encounter only frustrated parishioners facing the same situation. A couple with a new baby cannot find a priest to baptize him. The last time anyone in the group attended Mass was months ago. This nightmare gives some sense of the profound evil that gripped Mexico nearly a century ago.
Socialist historians from Mexico and Russia have argued that the Cristeros were superstitious peasants manipulated by elites who felt threatened by the revolution's promise of progress and justice. To make such arguments they had to ignore the facts of the story (the wealthy of Mexico, including practicing Catholics, opposed the uprising), as well as the eleven centuries of Catholic militancy that informed it. Seduced by Marxist errors and Masonic superstitions, revolutionaries declared war on the Catholic Church. They seized control of the government and, in 1917, wrote a socialist constitution packed with anticlerical articles with the goal of marginalizing the Church's influence — if not driving her from Mexico altogether.

Backed by the full force of federal law, the Revolutionary Government confiscated all Church property, including hospitals, monasteries, convents, and schools. Priests were forbidden to wear their clerics in public. They were not allowed to express opinions on politics, even in private conversation. They could not seek justice in the Mexican courts. To take a religious vow became a criminal act. All foreign clergy were deported.

In 1926, the president of Mexico, Plutarco Elias Calles, added teeth to the persecution with additions to the penal code. The "Calles Law," as it came to be known, called for uniform enforcement throughout the country of the Constitution's anticlerical articles. It threatened severe sanctions for violations and for government officials who failed to enforce them. "As long as I am President of the Republic, the Constitution of 1917 will be obeyed," he vowed, saying he would not be moved by the "wailing of sacristans or the pujidos (groans) of the over-pious" (David C. Bailey, Viva Cristo Rey!: The Cristero Rebellion, and the Church-State Conflict in Mexico, 65).

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/l...ecnum=7826

C.
(08-13-2011, 02:49 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying masons were not involved....don't know....don't care.....because UD was....and now I am asking for the CAUSES...the masons were not the CAUSE...even if they were involved in the solutions (flawed as trhey were)...


the CAUSE...is whatever got folks pissed off enough to dump their .gov....the question is....what was that....


so Gottiemux and kevnhood can spend all day talking about masonic lodges and it changes nothing....what drove people to the masons....it was something....and it was NOT the masons....they are not magic
Dude, where have you been the last 10 years...you got yahoo...same as everyone else.....look it up! 
(08-13-2011, 02:58 AM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: [ -> ]Scipio, it was masons, joos, and candylanders.


See...now we are getting somewhere...
(08-13-2011, 03:04 AM)Hawaii Five-0 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-13-2011, 02:49 AM)Scipio_a Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying masons were not involved....don't know....don't care.....because UD was....and now I am asking for the CAUSES...the masons were not the CAUSE...even if they were involved in the solutions (flawed as trhey were)...


the CAUSE...is whatever got folks pissed off enough to dump their .gov....the question is....what was that....


so Gottiemux and kevnhood can spend all day talking about masonic lodges and it changes nothing....what drove people to the masons....it was something....and it was NOT the masons....they are not magic
Dude, where have you been the last 10 years...you got yahoo...same as everyone else.....look it up! 

I don't think this one's gonna be on yahoo....yahoo.
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