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(08-12-2011, 11:06 AM)a83192 Wrote: [ -> ]hypothetical situaton,
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a teen is on his porch enjoying the fresh air when a pretty young lady passes by. He gets a boner (slang for getting turned on).  He has no desire to do sex with her but he looks at her to enjoy the good feeling.

Did he commit a sin?   If so, why?

Is lust the desire to do sex with someone? in this case he does not desire to do sex with the lady.
Ok admit it
Your trolling
No offense to those FSSP priests at Audio Sancto, but I'd rather listen to St. Francis De Sales on the matter.........  There could be more extenuating circumstances then just a cut and dry situation or example of when it becomes a mortal sin.


""But again, as to the pleasure which may be taken in temptation (technically called delectation), in as much as our souls have two parts, one inferior, the other superior, and the inferior does not always choose to be led by the superior, but  takes its own line,—it not unfrequently happens that the inferior part takes pleasure in a temptation not only without consent from, but absolutely in contradiction to the superior will. It is this contest which S. Paul describes when he speaks of the “law in my members, warring against the law of my mind"
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/desales/devout_life.vi.iii.html"

For example, I don't think it can always be a mortal sin if someone gets an erection without a consent of the will...... Also what exactly constitutes grave matterHuh? This will always be a topic for a debate!
(08-13-2011, 11:34 AM)crusaderfortruth3372 Wrote: [ -> ]No offense to those FSSP priests at Audio Sancto, but I'd rather listen to St. Francis De Sales on the matter.........  There could be more extenuating circumstances then just a cut and dry situation or example of when it becomes a mortal sin.


""But again, as to the pleasure which may be taken in temptation (technically called delectation), in as much as our souls have two parts, one inferior, the other superior, and the inferior does not always choose to be led by the superior, but  takes its own line,—it not unfrequently happens that the inferior part takes pleasure in a temptation not only without consent from, but absolutely in contradiction to the superior will. It is this contest which S. Paul describes when he speaks of the “law in my members, warring against the law of my mind"
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/desales/devout_life.vi.iii.html"

For example, I don't think it can always be a mortal sin if someone gets an erection without a consent of the will...... Also what exactly constitutes grave matterHuh? This will always be a topic for a debate!

Nailed it. If getting an erection without a consent of the will was a mortal sin, boys under 20 would be in the confessional every 90 minutes  Sticking tongue out at you
(08-12-2011, 11:09 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-12-2011, 10:44 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: [ -> ]Also, how can there be no intention and full consent?  Maybe I'm missing something but if you're consenting to lust... isn't that your intention? 

Let's say you are driving down a street and a billboard with a pretty girl catches your eye and you have an impure thought. There was no intention of seeking out a billboard. You did not intend to drive around looking for a billboard. You were just driving down a street. That is what is meant by no intention.  A pretty girl walks by. A sexy picture appears in a newspaper. With all these scenarios, there is no intention. Your intention was to walk down a street or read a newspaper. Mortal sin comes in, when you give into a temptation with full consent. There is no intention, but you give  full consent to sin when presented with an occasion.

Direct intention in contrast, means you sought out and intended to do an act. You went and bought a pornographic magazine. You visited a pornographic website.

These are the differences between no intention, direct intention.

Having the thought and dwelling on the thought are two different things.  It's the difference between being tempted and acquiescing to temptation.  The mere existence of a sexual thought isn't sinful at all unless the person having it decides to let it persist by dwelling on it or not praying and trying to get rid of it.  Before you get to that "decision making" point it's simply temptation.

  Besides that, I see what you mean.
(08-12-2011, 11:06 AM)a83192 Wrote: [ -> ]hypothetical situaton,
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a teen is on his porch enjoying the fresh air when a pretty young lady passes by. He gets a boner (slang for getting turned on).  He has no desire to do sex with her but he looks at her to enjoy the good feeling.

Did he commit a sin?   If so, why?

Is lust the desire to do sex with someone? in this case he does not desire to do sex with the lady.

Never happened to me like that.

I always had a desire to have sex with the women I lusted after, to be perfectly honest.

If I didn't have that desire, I would not have got an erection.  Unless it was first thing in the morning or just a co-incidence.  From what I can remember it was pretty random unless it was deliberate.

At least that is my memory of what it was like.  It was a long time ago.

Wouldn't worry too much.  If God is going to send you to hell for it, Heaven will be completely empty.
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