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A l’issue de l’entretien que Mgr Bernard Fellay et ses deux Assistants généraux ont eu, au Vatican, avec le cardinal William Levada, préfet de la Congrégation pour la doctrine de la foi, le 14 septembre 2011, à 10 h., le Supérieur général de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X a répondu à nos questions.

Comment s’est déroulée cette rencontre ?

L’entretien a été d’une grande courtoisie et d’une aussi grande franchise, car par loyauté la Fraternité Saint-Pie X se refuse à éluder les problèmes qui demeurent. C’est d’ailleurs dans cet esprit que s’étaient déroulés les entretiens théologiques qui ont eu lieu ces deux dernières années.

Lorsque j’ai déclaré, le 15 août dernier, que nous étions d’accord sur le fait que nous n’étions pas d’accord à propos du concile Vatican II, j’ai également tenu à préciser que lorsqu’il s’agit de dogmes, comme celui de la Trinité, nous sommes bien évidemment d’accord quand on en trouve le rappel dans Vatican II. Une phrase ne doit pas être isolée de son contexte. Nos entretiens théologiques ont eu le grand mérite d’approfondir sérieusement  et d’éclaircir tous ces problèmes doctrinaux.

Le communiqué officiel commun au Vatican et à la Fraternité annonce qu’un document doctrinal vous a été remis et qu’une solution canonique vous a été proposée. Pouvez-vous nous donner quelques précisions ?

Ce document s’intitule Préambule doctrinal, il nous a été remis pour une étude approfondie. De ce fait, il est confidentiel, et vous comprendrez que je ne vous en dise pas plus. Cependant le terme préambule indique bien que son acceptation constitue une condition préalable à toute reconnaissance canonique de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X de la part du Saint-Siège.

A propos de ce préambule doctrinal, dans la mesure où cela ne touche pas à sa confidentialité, pouvez-nous confirmer qu’il s’y trouve, comme annoncé dans la presse, une distinction entre ce qui est de foi – et à quoi la Fraternité adhère pleinement -, et ce qui relevant d’un concile pastoral, comme Vatican II s’est voulu lui-même, pourrait être soumis à une critique, sans remettre en cause la foi ?

Cette distinction nouvelle n’a pas été annoncée par la presse seulement, je l’ai personnellement entendue de sources diverses. Déjà en 2005, le cardinal Castrillon Hoyos me déclarait après que je lui eus exposé pendant cinq heures toutes les objections que la Fraternité Saint-Pie X formulait contre Vatican II : « Je ne peux pas dire que je sois d’accord avec tout ce que vous avez dit, mais ce que vous avez dit ne fait pas que vous êtes en dehors de l’Eglise. Ecrivez donc au pape pour qu’il enlève l’excommunication ».

Aujourd’hui je dois à l’objectivité de reconnaître qu’on ne trouve pas, dans le préambule doctrinal, une distinction tranchée entre le domaine dogmatique intangible et le domaine pastoral soumis à discussion. La seule chose que je puis déclarer parce que cela figure dans le communiqué de presse, c’est que ce préambule contient « des principes doctrinaux et des critères d’interprétation de la doctrine catholique nécessaires pour garantir la fidélité au Magistère de l’Eglise et au ‘sentire cum Ecclesia’, tout en laissant ouvertes à une légitime discussion l’étude et l’explication théologique d’expressions ou de formulations particulières présentes dans les textes du Concile Vatican II et du Magistère qui a suivi ». Voilà, pas plus pas moins.

Au sujet du statut canonique qui serait proposé à la Fraternité Saint-Pie X, sous condition de l’adhésion au préambule doctrinal ? On a parlé de prélature plutôt que d’ordinariat, est-ce exact ?

Comme vous le rappelez justement, ce statut canonique est conditionné ; sa modalité exacte ne peut être vue qu’ultérieurement et reste encore objet de discussion.

Quand pensez-vous donner votre réponse à la proposition de préambule doctrinal ?

Sitôt que j’aurai pris le temps nécessaire pour étudier ce document, et consulter les principaux responsables de la Fraternité Saint-Pie X, car sur une matière aussi importante je me suis engagé auprès de mes confrères à ne pas prendre de décision sans les avoir consultés auparavant.

Mais je puis vous assurer que notre décision sera prise pour le bien de l’Eglise et des âmes. Notre croisade du rosaire qui se poursuit sur plusieurs mois encore doit s’intensifier pour nous permettre d’obtenir, par l’intercession de Marie, Mère de l’Eglise, les grâces de lumière et de force dont nous avons besoin plus que jamais. (DICI n°240 du 14/09/11)

http://www.dici.org/actualites/entretien...am-levada/
Will get a translation up ASAP for those who don't read French.
Translation please?
OFFICIAL SSPX TRANSLATION - REPLACES GOOGLE EFFORT

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At the conclusion of the meeting that Bishop Bernard Fellay and his two General Assistants had at the Vatican with Cardinal William Levada, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on September 14, 2011, at 10:00 a.m., the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X answered our questions [for the readers of DICI].

How did this meeting go?

The meeting was conducted with great courtesy and with equally great candor, because for the sake of honesty the Society of St. Pius X refuses to evade the problems that remain. Moreover the theological discussions that took place during these past two years were held in this same spirit.

When I stated on August 15 of this year that we were in agreement on the fact that we did not agree about the Second Vatican Council, I also made sure to explain that when it comes to dogmas, like the doctrine of the Trinity, we are quite obviously in agreement when we find them mentioned in Vatican II. One sentence must not be taken out of its context.  It is to the great credit of our theological talks that they seriously examined and elucidated all these doctrinal problems.

The joint press release by the Vatican and the Society announced that a doctrinal document was delivered to you and that a canonical solution was proposed to you. Can you give us any particulars?

This document is entitled “Doctrinal Preamble”; it was handed over to us for in-depth study. Hence it is confidential, and you will understand why I say no more about it to you. However the term “preamble” does indicate that acceptance of it is a preliminary condition for any canonical recognition of the Society of St. Pius X on the part of the Holy See

On the subject of this doctrinal preamble, to the extent that this does not concern its confidentiality, can you confirm that it contains, as announced in the press release, a distinction between what is de fide [essential to the faith]—to which the Society fully adheres—and what is dependent on a pastoral council, as Vatican II itself claimed to be, and thus could be subjected to criticism without calling the faith into question?

This new distinction was not only announced in the press release; I have personally heard it from various sources. As early as 2005, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos told me, after I spent five hours explaining to him all the objections to Vatican II that the Society of St. Pius X had formulated: “I cannot say that I agree with everything that you have said, but what you have said does not mean that you are outside the Church.  Write to the pope therefore and ask him to lift the excommunication.”

Today, for the sake of objectivity, I must acknowledge that in the doctrinal preamble there is no clear-cut distinction between the inviolable dogmatic sphere and the pastoral sphere that is subject to discussion.  The only thing that I can say, because it is part of the press release, is that this preamble contains “certain doctrinal principles and criteria for the interpretation of Catholic doctrine, which are necessary to ensure faithfulness to the Church’s Magisterium and to "sentire cum Ecclesia" [thinking with the Church]. At the same time, it leaves open to legitimate discussion the examination and theological explanation of individual expressions and formulations contained in the documents of Vatican Council II and of the later Magisterium.”  There you have it;  no more and no less.

As for the canonical status that is said to have been proposed to the Society of St. Pius X, on the condition that it adheres to the doctrinal preamble:  there has been talk about a [personal] prelature rather than an ordinariate;  it this correct?

As you correctly note, this canonical status is conditional; only later on will we be able to see the exact modality of it; it still remains a subject for discussion.

When do you think you will give your answer to the proposal in the doctrinal preamble?

As soon as I have taken the time necessary to study this document, and to consult with those who are chiefly responsible for the Society of St. Pius X, because in such an important matter I have promised my confreres not to make a decision without consulting them first.

But I can assure you that our decision will be made for the good of the Church and of souls. Our Rosary Crusade, which continues for several more months, must be intensified so as to enable us to obtain, through the intercession of Mary, Mother of the Church, the graces of light and strength that we need more than ever.  (DICI no. 240 dated September 14, 2011)

http://www.sspx.org/district_news/interv...4-2011.htm
Wait, so is this THE interview that +Fellay is giving today or are we still waiting for that?
Thanks for the translation.  I hate mobile internet!

Well I think it's obvious that the SSPX is going to be regularised in some fashion.  I'd place my bets on later this year or early new year.
(09-14-2011, 01:09 PM)Walty Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, so is this THE interview that +Fellay is giving today or are we still waiting for that?

Yeah, wondering the same thing here.
I have edited the title for clarity! Yes, this is THE interview.
I couldn't make out too much in this choppy translation, but of what I could, Bishop Fellay has heard enough to say yes to the SSPX being regularized.
(09-14-2011, 01:14 PM)dan hunter Wrote: [ -> ]I couldn't make out too much in this choppy translation, but of what I could, Bishop Fellay has heard enough to say yes to the SSPX being regularized.
It certainly seems that way, as far as I could understand Google's translation.

But it seems strange that no temporary faculties have been granted until there is agreement. Does this mean that Rome accepts that supplied jurisdiction and some kind of deputation has been triggered by a state of necessity? It is certainly against the tradition of the Church to allow the Sacraments to be administered outside of her ordinary jurisdiction (excepting genuine cases of necessity). But it seems that Rome is quite sanguine about 600,000+ Catholics receiving the Sacraments outside of the ordinary jurisdiction of the Church.

I am confused. But will be delighted if there is an agreement that doesn't tie the SSPX to the John Paul II-interpretation of Vatican II.
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