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German pope ventures into land of Luther and Marx
Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:49am GMT

By Stephen Brown

ERFURT, Germany (Reuters) -
Indifference, irritation and, inevitably, protest will likely mark a papal trip to the former East Germany that includes an historic meeting in the one-time home of Martin Luther to find ways Catholics and Protestants can work together to save Germany's soul. Nearly a quarter of a million Catholics will throng open-air services celebrated by Pope Benedict on his September 22-25 state visit to Erfurt, Berlin, a Catholic enclave at Etzelsbach and staunchly Catholic Freiburg in southwest Germany. But unlike in the Rhineland and his native Bavaria, where Catholic majorities ensured him a warm homecoming on his two previous visits to Germany as pope, the 84-year-old Joseph Ratzinger will encounter deep suspicion in eastern Germany, an area traditionally Protestant but now mostly atheist after four decades of Communism.

The meeting with Germany's Protestant leaders will take place in Erfurt's 13th-century Augustinian monastery, where Martin Luther lived on and off as a Catholic monk from 1505 to 1511 before defying Rome by writing his "95 Theses" in 1517 and later translating the Bible into German. In the city's cobbled streets, churches, restaurants and shops vie to claim historical links to the priest behind the Reformation and split with Rome. Few posters or papal flags welcoming the pope can be seen, though on the steep steps up to the medieval Catholic cathedral a drunk yells instructions to builders erecting an altar for a Mass for 85,000 people. "He'll find himself in an unusual situation with a very high number of atheists. It's a joint challenge for us," Ilse Junkermann, Erfurt's female Protestant bishop who will host the historic talks, told German church media.

In the student council room at Erfurt University, Luther's alma mater, students Karola Lieb and Benno Kirtzel, both 21, say few people their age go t
I think the title is funny. It basically says "German pope ventures into... Germany."

Heathens tried to mess up the pope's visit to England too. Let's hope and pray this plan turns out as well for the German heathens as it did for their British counterpart.
Will the Pope visit the FSSP seminary in Germany?
QUOTE: "Schneider said the anniversary would be thoroughly ecumenical, 'not a boastful celebration to shine our light on the dark background of medieval Catholicism and the rotten popes of that era.'"

As if the Pope were not able to use the occasion as a "boastful celebration to shine *our* light on the dark background" of early Protestantism and the rotten Reformers of that era.
Does Germany hold western civ's record for most of the world's worst thinkers and so-called philosophers? Luther, Freud, Nietzche, Marx, Hitler, the list goes on...
(09-17-2011, 09:25 AM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: [ -> ]Does Germany hold western civ's record for most of the world's worst thinkers and so-called philosophers? Luther, Freud, Nietzche, Marx, Hitler, the list goes on...

Western civilization? It probably holds the world's record for most world's worst thinkers.

This sounds like a great idea for a Top Ten list.
Even though he is a German, it is somewhat like venturing into hostile territory.  But our Holy Father is no coward!  He goes and he will touch hearts.

The Germans are an interesting people.  There is a long history in their culture that has laid the framework for many sad events.
My dear best friend is a German, and he is of the opinion that Kant is the origin of all modern evil in ethical and moral philosophy. Aquinas is the only true philosopher, who ascended the heights of reason based on faith. The worst modern fallacy of all came out of German thinking, but based on that French fop, Voltaire. All the most depressing, cynical German black-storm-cloud philosophers were influenced by that eminently ruinous man. Look at Schopenhauer and his nonsense! It flows perfectly from Voltaire's hatred of faith.

Germany has always been the origin of everything evil in modern philosophy. Look at the Frankfurt School and its influence on popular media and education in the last 60 years... frightening! We should not speak of perfidious Jews or Masons, but the last 250 years of German "thought"! Sadly, this Holy Father is a Bonaventurian by his own admission, and thus necessary Platonist and Augustinian. This makes him more likely to fall into Kant's circle than Aquinas', though nothing is inevitable. Smile
It's grossly unfair to neitchze to put him in the list with hitler. Hitler was a dwarf less then a dwarf in regards to thought. Nietchze is not so easily dismissed.
Freud was autrian wasn't he?
(09-17-2011, 05:28 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: [ -> ]It's grossly unfair to neitchze to put him in the list with hitler. Hitler was a dwarf less then a dwarf in regards to thought. Nietchze is not so easily dismissed.
Freud was autrian wasn't he?

Freud and Hitler were Austrian.
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