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The tenth anniversary of 9/11 came and went on September 11, three weeks ago. Apparently in the US media there was such a downpour of sentimentality for the occasion as to make the recent torrential rains on the eastern seaboard look like a light shower. However, before it becomes "anti-semitic" even to raise the question, let us with an American commentator of indisputable intelligence and integrity ask just what was the reality of that event.

The commentator is Dr Paul Craig Roberts who announced several months ago his retirement from writing. He was discouraged by the lack of readers interested in the truth. Fortunately his retirement did not last long. He is a truth-teller, and there are too few of them around. "In America Respect for Truth is Dead" is the title of his Sept. 12 article, published on infowars.com. As he suggests, the loss of truth is the real drama, both of 9/11 and of the ten years succeeding, not only in the USA, but in fact all over the world.

Dr Roberts has himself a scientific background, and as such he says he was wholly persuaded by the scientific evidence presented in a Sept. 8-11 meeting held in Ryerson University, Toronto, Canada, on the 9/11 events. In the four days of hearings, distinguished scientists, scholars, architects and engineers presented the fruit of their research into the 9/11 events (their findings may still be accessible at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thetorontohearings). Dr Roberts writes that their researches "proved that the WTC7 building was a standard controlled demolition and that incendiaries and explosives brought down the Twin Towers. There is no doubt whatsoever about this. Anyone who declares the contrary has no scientific basis on which to stand. Those who believe in the official story believe in a miracle that defies the laws of physics."

Dr Roberts quotes a few of the many scientific proofs presented in Canada, for instance the recent discovery of nano-thermite in the dust produced by the fall of the Towers, but he writes that "the revelation of malevolence is so powerful that most readers will find it a challenge to their emotional and mental strength." Government propaganda and the "Presstitute media" have such a grip on minds that most people seriously believe that only "conspiracy kooks" challenge the government's story. Facts, science and evidence no longer count for anything (somebody I know has run into that!). Dr Roberts quotes a Chicago and Harvard law professor even proposing that all fact-based doubters of government propaganda should be shut down !

G.K.Chesterton once famously said that when people stop believing in God, they do not believe in nothing, they will believe in anything. Gravest of all amongst the many millions of 9/11 truth-losers are the Catholics who cannot or do not want to see the evidence for 9/11 being an inside job, who cannot or do not want to see the truly religious dimensions of the worldwide triumph of such a mind-bending lie as 9/11 represents. Let such Catholics beware. It may seem a wild exaggeration to say that they risk losing the Faith, but do we not have the terrifying example of Vatican II just behind us in time ?  Did not in the 1960's far too many Catholics take such a sympathetic view of the modern world as to think that their Church should be adapted to it ?  Was not Vatican II the result ? What did it do to their Faith?                                                                                                               
                                            Kyrie eleison.
Good article.
Bp. Williamson is a nut job.

OK, now the good bishop is officially out of control. I stuck by him throughout the Halocaust stuff because it stands to reason that 6 million has always been a made-up estimate, no more or less accurate than all other estimates of large numbers of people. But I've now lost all respect and admiration for the man.
(09-30-2011, 05:08 PM)Petertherock Wrote: [ -> ]Bp. Williamson is a nut job.

In some areas yes, but he was invited to the SSPX Doctrinal Preamble on October 7th and 8th, and AFAIK he will be there with the other 3 SSPX Bishops.... So we shall see what happens!
(09-30-2011, 05:18 PM)Ineffable1 Wrote: [ -> ]OK, now the good bishop is officially out of control. I stuck by him throughout the Halocaust stuff because it stands to reason that 6 million has always been a made-up estimate, no more or less accurate than all other estimates of large numbers of people. But I've now lost all respect and admiration for the man.
Listen he has some valid points.

  It may very well have been an inside job
(09-30-2011, 04:50 PM)tradlover Wrote: [ -> ]G.K.Chesterton once famously said that when people stop believing in God, they do not believe in nothing, they will believe in anything. Gravest of all amongst the many millions of 9/11 truth-losers are the Catholics who cannot or do not want to see the evidence for 9/11 being an inside job, who cannot or do not want to see the truly religious dimensions of the worldwide triumph of such a mind-bending lie as 9/11 represents. Let such Catholics beware. It may seem a wild exaggeration to say that they risk losing the Faith, but do we not have the terrifying example of Vatican II just behind us in time ?  Did not in the 1960's far too many Catholics take such a sympathetic view of the modern world as to think that their Church should be adapted to it ?  Was not Vatican II the result ? What did it do to their Faith?                                                                                                                 
                                             Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Willliamson may have some good points.  He may have some bad points.  He may be right about the 9/11 conspiracy.  He may be wrong.  That's not my issue with this article.  The issue is the bolded part.  It is simply indefensible.  If I do not believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, I should beware because I may risk losing my faith??  

It's one thing for the man, as a man, to have an opinion on controversial matters.  We're all entitled to that.  It's another step to start to speak on those, especially as a Bishop of the SSPX which represents Tradition.  Too many people will see his opinions as the "dogmas" of the Tradition and the SSPX.  That is imprudent, as we have seen with him time and time again.

Now here, +Williamson has taken an even further step by tying his fringe opinions to matters of faith.  It is ludicrous to say that my faith will be threatened if I do not believe 9/11 conspiracies.  This is imprudence of high degree, because not only is he cementing in the minds of many that the SSPX and Tradition are radical and fringe, but he is also linking the Faith with conspiracy theories.  THE TWO ARE SEPARATE.

Now, in one sense the SSPX is radical and fringe and should stay that way... radical in adherence to Tradition, fringe in the rejection of modernism.  These are all traits that I will hold to and would to God that Holy Mother Church becomes radical and fringe in this manner again.  But +Williamson needs to realize that people will dismiss the SSPX, dismiss the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, dismiss Tradition because of his imprudence in linking fringe opinions to matters of faith.

Pax,
Jesse
(09-30-2011, 05:44 PM)Jesse Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-30-2011, 04:50 PM)tradlover Wrote: [ -> ]G.K.Chesterton once famously said that when people stop believing in God, they do not believe in nothing, they will believe in anything. Gravest of all amongst the many millions of 9/11 truth-losers are the Catholics who cannot or do not want to see the evidence for 9/11 being an inside job, who cannot or do not want to see the truly religious dimensions of the worldwide triumph of such a mind-bending lie as 9/11 represents. Let such Catholics beware. It may seem a wild exaggeration to say that they risk losing the Faith, but do we not have the terrifying example of Vatican II just behind us in time ?  Did not in the 1960's far too many Catholics take such a sympathetic view of the modern world as to think that their Church should be adapted to it ?  Was not Vatican II the result ? What did it do to their Faith?                                                                                                                 
                                             Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Willliamson may have some good points.  He may have some bad points.  He may be right about the 9/11 conspiracy.  He may be wrong.  That's not my issue with this article.  The issue is the bolded part.  It is simply indefensible.  If I do not believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, I should beware because I may risk losing my faith??  

It's one thing for the man, as a man, to have an opinion on controversial matters.  We're all entitled to that.  It's another step to start to speak on those, especially as a Bishop of the SSPX which represents Tradition.  Too many people will see his opinions as the "dogmas" of the Tradition and the SSPX.  That is imprudent, as we have seen with him time and time again.

Now here, +Williamson has taken an even further step by tying his fringe opinions to matters of faith.  It is ludicrous to say that my faith will be threatened if I do not believe 9/11 conspiracies.  This is imprudence of high degree, because not only is he cementing in the minds of many that the SSPX and Tradition are radical and fringe, but he is also linking the Faith with conspiracy theories.  THE TWO ARE SEPARATE.

Now, in one sense the SSPX is radical and fringe and should stay that way... radical in adherence to Tradition, fringe in the rejection of modernism.  These are all traits that I will hold to and would to God that Holy Mother Church becomes radical and fringe in this manner again.  But +Williamson needs to realize that people will dismiss the SSPX, dismiss the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, dismiss Tradition because of his imprudence in linking fringe opinions to matters of faith.

Pax,
Jesse

yes its fringe but its true people need to wake up that the Government does not have its citizens best interests at heart.
(09-30-2011, 05:58 PM)tradlover Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-30-2011, 05:44 PM)Jesse Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-30-2011, 04:50 PM)tradlover Wrote: [ -> ]G.K.Chesterton once famously said that when people stop believing in God, they do not believe in nothing, they will believe in anything. Gravest of all amongst the many millions of 9/11 truth-losers are the Catholics who cannot or do not want to see the evidence for 9/11 being an inside job, who cannot or do not want to see the truly religious dimensions of the worldwide triumph of such a mind-bending lie as 9/11 represents. Let such Catholics beware. It may seem a wild exaggeration to say that they risk losing the Faith, but do we not have the terrifying example of Vatican II just behind us in time ?  Did not in the 1960's far too many Catholics take such a sympathetic view of the modern world as to think that their Church should be adapted to it ?  Was not Vatican II the result ? What did it do to their Faith?                                                                                                                 
                                             Kyrie eleison.

Bishop Willliamson may have some good points.  He may have some bad points.  He may be right about the 9/11 conspiracy.  He may be wrong.  That's not my issue with this article.  The issue is the bolded part.  It is simply indefensible.  If I do not believe in the 9/11 conspiracy, I should beware because I may risk losing my faith??  

It's one thing for the man, as a man, to have an opinion on controversial matters.  We're all entitled to that.  It's another step to start to speak on those, especially as a Bishop of the SSPX which represents Tradition.  Too many people will see his opinions as the "dogmas" of the Tradition and the SSPX.  That is imprudent, as we have seen with him time and time again.

Now here, +Williamson has taken an even further step by tying his fringe opinions to matters of faith.  It is ludicrous to say that my faith will be threatened if I do not believe 9/11 conspiracies.  This is imprudence of high degree, because not only is he cementing in the minds of many that the SSPX and Tradition are radical and fringe, but he is also linking the Faith with conspiracy theories.  THE TWO ARE SEPARATE.

Now, in one sense the SSPX is radical and fringe and should stay that way... radical in adherence to Tradition, fringe in the rejection of modernism.  These are all traits that I will hold to and would to God that Holy Mother Church becomes radical and fringe in this manner again.  But +Williamson needs to realize that people will dismiss the SSPX, dismiss the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, dismiss Tradition because of his imprudence in linking fringe opinions to matters of faith.

Pax,
Jesse

yes its fringe but its true people need to wake up that the Government does not have its citizens best interests at heart.

That's not my point.  My point is he should NOT be linking it to the Faith.
Isn't he saying if we delude our selves by obedience with out question to these authorities, we endager the faith because if we do not accept truth here, we will begin to not accept it else where. I think he's saying what most of us here believe, we can't trust all of these jokers anymore, and it is not beyond them to do anything they wish.

tim
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