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Regarding So Called "Ecclesia Dei Communities"

The situation varies widely according to the countries and the dioceses, but most bishops remain very restrictive regarding these communities. Even those who are not hostile to them hesitate to receive them, for fear of their clergy and active laymen. Rome fears, from its side, the reactions of the bishops. The situation of these communities would be of an extreme fragility without the counterweight of the Fraternity of Saint Pius X.

The 1988 consecrations helped save Catholic Tradition not only by ensuring the transmission of the sacrament of Holy Orders - and, therefore, of the Traditional Mass and sacraments -, but also by protecting a small part of the Church's flock from the errors of Vatican II. Alas, these conciliar errors still devastate the Church, and rule even in Rome. In order to protect oneself efficaciously, it is therefore necessary to keep one's distances from the Roman authorities.

In times of an epidemic, the most basic prudence demands one to separate the sick from the healthy. Some contact remains indispensable in order to care for the sick, but it is limited to the smallest possible [level] and surrounded by great precaution. The same goes for the current situation: one cannot visit in a habitual manner the conciliar authorities without exposing oneself to catching their errors. The example of the Ecclesia Dei communities is the manifest evidence of that.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/11....html#more

Outstanding Analysis !!!
One never knows when such declarations reflect the "official" stance of the SSPX, but if it does, it suggests that the epidemic is that of schizophrenia, and that the SSPX hierarchy (except perhaps Bishop Williamson) are the most contagious victims.  For if all of this be true, why ask Rome to lift the excommunications? Why ask for faculties? Why meet the Roman authorities at all? You might catch the cold!

The SSPX has to figure its own self out before telling others what to do. Website editors, Fellay, Williamson, and the whole bunch need to have a sit-down and deal with each other and then come out knowing what they want.

As for the Ecclesia Dei communities, they are the brightest lights in the Catholic Church today. God bless them.
(11-14-2011, 08:00 AM)maldon Wrote: [ -> ]One never knows when such declarations reflect the "official" stance of the SSPX, but if it does, it suggests that the epidemic is that of schizophrenia, and that the SSPX hierarchy (except perhaps Bishop Williamson) are the most contagious victims.  For if all of this be true, why ask Rome to lift the excommunications? Why ask for faculties? Why meet the Roman authorities at all? You might catch the cold!

The SSPX has to figure its own self out before telling others what to do. Website editors, Fellay, Williamson, and the whole bunch need to have a sit-down and deal with each other and then come out knowing what they want.

As for the Ecclesia Dei communities, they are the brightest lights in the Catholic Church today. God bless them.

And yet your "brightest lights" would not even exist if it wasn't for the SSPX.

The Ecclesia Dei "communities" didn't come into existence until after Archbishop Lefebvre ordained bishops out of a need of great necessity.  After this, Pope John Paul II baited some of the SSPX priests, offering them something that he had always refused Archbishop Lefebvre on the very next day after the ordinations.  This is how your "brightest lights" came into existence - through compromise with error - all they had to do was accept the orthodoxy of the New Mass and Vatican II.  The SSPX hold courageously to the one true Faith of all time, the Mass of all time and the perpetual papacy.  THEY are truly the "brightest lights" in the Catholic Church.
(11-14-2011, 09:48 AM)Nic Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2011, 08:00 AM)maldon Wrote: [ -> ]One never knows when such declarations reflect the "official" stance of the SSPX, but if it does, it suggests that the epidemic is that of schizophrenia, and that the SSPX hierarchy (except perhaps Bishop Williamson) are the most contagious victims.  For if all of this be true, why ask Rome to lift the excommunications? Why ask for faculties? Why meet the Roman authorities at all? You might catch the cold!

The SSPX has to figure its own self out before telling others what to do. Website editors, Fellay, Williamson, and the whole bunch need to have a sit-down and deal with each other and then come out knowing what they want.

As for the Ecclesia Dei communities, they are the brightest lights in the Catholic Church today. God bless them.

And yet your "brightest lights" would not even exist if it wasn't for the SSPX.

The Ecclesia Dei "communities" didn't come into existence until after Archbishop Lefebvre ordained bishops out of a need of great necessity.  After this, Pope John Paul II baited some of the SSPX priests, offering them something that he had always refused Archbishop Lefebvre on the very next day after the ordinations.  This is how your "brightest lights" came into existence - through compromise with error - all they had to do was accept the orthodoxy of the New Mass and Vatican II.  The SSPX hold courageously to the one true Faith of all time, the Mass of all time and the perpetual papacy.  THEY are truly the "brightest lights" in the Catholic Church.

The Pope offered Archbishop Lefebvre everything that the FSSP currently has in the May Protocol. The SSPX does a lot of good, Archbishop Marcel is probably a saint, and we wouldn't have Summorum Pontificum if the SSPX hadn't requested it and launched the rosary crusade. Still, it's factually incorrect to say that Rome only offered priests the chance to celebrate the Old Mass after the Econe consecrations.
(11-14-2011, 10:14 AM)Aragon Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2011, 09:48 AM)Nic Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-14-2011, 08:00 AM)maldon Wrote: [ -> ]One never knows when such declarations reflect the "official" stance of the SSPX, but if it does, it suggests that the epidemic is that of schizophrenia, and that the SSPX hierarchy (except perhaps Bishop Williamson) are the most contagious victims.  For if all of this be true, why ask Rome to lift the excommunications? Why ask for faculties? Why meet the Roman authorities at all? You might catch the cold!

The SSPX has to figure its own self out before telling others what to do. Website editors, Fellay, Williamson, and the whole bunch need to have a sit-down and deal with each other and then come out knowing what they want.

As for the Ecclesia Dei communities, they are the brightest lights in the Catholic Church today. God bless them.

And yet your "brightest lights" would not even exist if it wasn't for the SSPX.

The Ecclesia Dei "communities" didn't come into existence until after Archbishop Lefebvre ordained bishops out of a need of great necessity.  After this, Pope John Paul II baited some of the SSPX priests, offering them something that he had always refused Archbishop Lefebvre on the very next day after the ordinations.  This is how your "brightest lights" came into existence - through compromise with error - all they had to do was accept the orthodoxy of the New Mass and Vatican II.  The SSPX hold courageously to the one true Faith of all time, the Mass of all time and the perpetual papacy.  THEY are truly the "brightest lights" in the Catholic Church.

The Pope offered Archbishop Lefebvre everything that the FSSP currently has in the May Protocol. The SSPX does a lot of good, Archbishop Marcel is probably a saint, and we wouldn't have Summorum Pontificum if the SSPX hadn't requested it and launched the rosary crusade. Still, it's factually incorrect to say that Rome only offered priests the chance to celebrate the Old Mass after the Econe consecrations.
Not according to this..http://www.sspx.org/fraternity_of_st_peter/protocol.pdf