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(02-01-2012, 03:20 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]The same thing for Iolanthe. She's been around Fish Eaters for quite some time too. She attends the TLM and has priests in her family. Although very opinionated and occasionally coming across as bitter when it comes to male-female topics, a healthy benefit of the doubt and sheer courtesy should be shown to her. Simply accusing her of being a feminist, even if in a veiled manner, is also rash and unmerited and does not accomplish anything but to foment antagonism.

All disagreements with fellow sisters in Christ should be dealt with in the most gentlemanly manner possible.

Ok, now I'm mad.   This is a bunch of bull.  The fact that she has been here a while, goes to the TLM, and has Priests in her family is completely irrelevant.  There was ZERO need for the hostility towards me.  I did NOT accuse her being a feminist and was gentlemanly the entire time.   Anyone who thinks otherwise should go back and reread the exchange.  The only controversial statement I made was merely pointing out that her TONE could be interpreted a certain way.  Whether it was sarcasm, arrogance or she was just plain annoyed; I find in debates a hostile tone is not constructive.  I made it clear I was not accusing her and even pointed to the parts where I agreed with. There was no reason for her to fly off on me like that and the fact that she is bitter, sensitive and takes offense easily when it comes to this topic does not give her a free pass to say whatever she wants. 
(02-01-2012, 04:12 PM)Iolanthe Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2012, 03:54 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get the hate for sarcasm. It's a legitimate mode of expression. Jonathan Swift would never have lasted here. It's not the tone that is the problem. Just when people are shown how ridiculous their positions are they they no longer want to talk about the issue at hand and start complaining about sarcasm and tone.

Kind of like the people who feigned mock indignation over Swift's suggestion to eat Irish babies rather than addressing his scathing critique of the treatment of the Irish.   

What really gets me is that I wasn't even being sarcastic. Guardian just sensed something he didn't like about my comment, couldn't describe what it was, and settled on "well you sounded sarcastic so you must be a feminist."

I wonder whats worse? Having a paranoia about feminism (which I don't have but I don't expect you to believe me because you haven't listened to a thing I said this whole topic).

Or....

Being so scared at being labeled a feminist that you get offended so easily that at the drop of a hat you're willing to make ridiculous accusations, start a fight, and say anything you want in order to shift the focus from yourself?

Let me repeat.  I don't think your a feminist, I don't even know you!  I just didn't like your tone and wanted to give you a bit of friendly advice.  I thought that your statement could be interpreted a certain way and since you clearly didn't want to convey the way i thought it could be interpreted I wanted to just let you know that.  Maybe I should've just minded my own business.  Anyway, again I will pray for you and hopefully we can end on relatively good terms. 
(02-01-2012, 05:08 PM)Guardian Wrote: [ -> ]Let me repeat.  I don't think your a feminist, I don't even know you!  I just didn't like your tone and wanted to give you a bit of friendly advice.  I thought that your statement could be interpreted a certain way and since you clearly didn't want to convey the way i thought it could be interpreted I wanted to just let you know that.  Maybe I should've just minded my own business.  Anyway, again I will pray for you and hopefully we can end on relatively good terms. 

Yes, you should have minded your own business. Not liking my tone, which was not directed at you, does not give you the right to offer "friendly advice" about how I should be different. You completely overstepped, which is why I got offended. If you hadn't done that, we would never have had this exchange. You created the problem; my reaction did not create this problem.

Please keep in mind that you do not have the authority to correct anyone else's tone. Not mine or anyone else's except maybe your children's. Think twice next time before offering corrective behavior towards anyone whose tone you happen not to like.
(02-01-2012, 04:51 PM)Guardian Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2012, 03:20 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: [ -> ]The same thing for Iolanthe. She's been around Fish Eaters for quite some time too. She attends the TLM and has priests in her family. Although very opinionated and occasionally coming across as bitter when it comes to male-female topics, a healthy benefit of the doubt and sheer courtesy should be shown to her. Simply accusing her of being a feminist, even if in a veiled manner, is also rash and unmerited and does not accomplish anything but to foment antagonism.

All disagreements with fellow sisters in Christ should be dealt with in the most gentlemanly manner possible.

Ok, now I'm mad.   This is a bunch of bull.  The fact that she has been here a while, goes to the TLM, and has Priests in her family is completely irrelevant.  There was ZERO need for the hostility towards me.  I did NOT accuse her being a feminist and was gentlemanly the entire time.   Anyone who thinks otherwise should go back and reread the exchange.  The only controversial statement I made was merely pointing out that her TONE could be interpreted a certain way.  Whether it was sarcasm, arrogance or she was just plain annoyed; I find in debates a hostile tone is not constructive.  I made it clear I was not accusing her and even pointed to the parts where I agreed with. There was no reason for her to fly off on me like that and the fact that she is bitter, sensitive and takes offense easily when it comes to this topic does not give her a free pass to say whatever she wants. 

I didn't have a hostile tone in my original remark on here. I just made a point bluntly like I always do in these issues. It was not directed at an individual. Now you're insulting me by calling me bitter, sensitive, and easily offended.

YOU are the one who thinks you can say whatever you want. YOU are the one who thinks you can correct other peoples' tone. YOU are the one who was too sensitive, and who reacted by basically trying to silence me. And now you're trying to make it look like my reaction is the problem, which is a typical gaslighting move often used by men who are too arrogant to admit they said something they shouldn't have said.
(02-01-2012, 05:17 PM)Iolanthe Wrote: [ -> ]Think twice next time before offering corrective behavior towards anyone whose tone you happen not to like.

Feel free to offer me correction, Guardian.  You seem to be a fair and reasonable person and I would appreciate it.
I think I'm beginning to undertand. Women can be sarcastic and throw it in your face, but men are not allowed it because it is unbecoming a gentleman. Why not the same high standards for ladies?

Oh, and just so everyone knows, I am not trying to extend my little flare-up or tiff from before. As the male that I am, it is over and forgotten.
(02-01-2012, 05:34 PM)Adam Wayne Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'm beginning to undertand. Women can be sarcastic and throw it in your face, but men are not allowed it because it is unbecoming a gentleman. Why not the same high standards for ladies?

Oh, and just so everyone knows, I am not trying to extend my little flare-up or tiff from before. As the male that I am, it is over and forgotten.

Nobody said men couldn't be sarcastic. The issue here is that we have one person trying to tell another person what kind of tone to use.

Your tiff is so forgotten you felt the need to mention it?  :LOL:
(02-01-2012, 05:34 PM)Adam Wayne Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'm beginning to undertand. Women can be sarcastic and throw it in your face, but men are not allowed it because it is unbecoming a gentleman. Why not the same high standards for ladies?

Treating men and women the same is a feminist tactic.
(02-01-2012, 05:47 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2012, 05:34 PM)Adam Wayne Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'm beginning to undertand. Women can be sarcastic and throw it in your face, but men are not allowed it because it is unbecoming a gentleman. Why not the same high standards for ladies?

Treating men and women the same is a feminist tactic.

I don't think that wanting the men to be gentlemen and the women to be ladies is treating men and women the same.  A gentleman is different from a lady but they have some things in common.  One of these is courtesy.
(02-01-2012, 05:47 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-01-2012, 05:34 PM)Adam Wayne Wrote: [ -> ]I think I'm beginning to undertand. Women can be sarcastic and throw it in your face, but men are not allowed it because it is unbecoming a gentleman. Why not the same high standards for ladies?

Treating men and women the same is a feminist tactic.

Shhh dont say that or someone will start crying and say your calling her a feminist. That word is officially banned like the "N" word or other "F" word since it makes a certain person cry. :wench:
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