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(02-04-2012, 06:31 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-04-2012, 05:24 PM)TrentCath Wrote: [ -> ]Are you saying that only men should teach boys and vice versa?

Ideally, yes. (Unless the female teachers are hot.)Though men should teach co-ed classes, and any religion class.

How do expect anyone to take you seriously when you intersperse your posts with such remarks?
(02-04-2012, 06:50 PM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ]How do expect anyone to take you seriously when you intersperse your posts with such remarks?

I was making an obligatory deference to Miss Pigot, my arithmetic teacher and crush from 8th grade. And the only teacher from middle school whose name I remember, for that matter....
(02-04-2012, 06:48 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-04-2012, 05:45 PM)verenaerin Wrote: [ -> ]Come on HK. You know very well that is not the situation. If there are no men involved in a Church it is because they chose to be. 

I'm repeating an argument commonly seen on this forum in defense of nuns and other women in teaching and church administration. The argument goes that they're better for the Church because nuns are free, and non-religious laywomen don't cost as much because they're not trying to support whole families on their income alone. It's also a common defense of mandatory clerical celibacy; you know, that unmarried priests are better because they don't have to support families.

Quote:Keep in mind that a mother's role is partly defined by teaching. Female teachers are by no means inferior to males. I have no issue with male teachers, but you are insulting one to raise the other. Your issue should be that there are no real Catholic men, or real men becoming priests, not that women have stepped up to the job.

This is the same as lambasting single mothers for being the only parent, while it was the father who left.

I've lambasted the unwillingness of men to step up to the plate on other threads. An immediate example would be how at my local TLM, we have a very advanced Gregorian schola program, but the average number of men who sing per Sunday Mass is only 3, out of a congregation of more than a hundred men, I estimate. It is very challenging to practice and chant the set of Propers in their full Gregorian melodies every Mass with only 3 guys. Also, for some reason we only have 2 altar servers even at sung Mass. The unwillingness of men to step up is truly ridiculous and even cowardly. I agree.

As for myself, I'm pretty lousy with personal piety. I wouldn't make a good priest or religious brother, and I have over a decade before I'm eligible to pursue the diaconate. But I always try to make myself available for chanting or serving the altar at the drop of a pin if asked. Why? Because it's good for a man to do something that needs to be done.

OK, I'm cool with everything you have said. I understand the frustration of a faith such as ours being made to look wimpy. (I think that is why TFP has such a draw.) A while ago a protestant, maybe Anglican, wrote an article about men and church. He found that the number one factor that will make a child practice the faith they grew up in is the actions of the father. Even if the dad does nothing and the mom's a saint, it doesn't compare to the father's influence. As you are well aware, our whole country is a majority of broken homes and fatherless kids. Even our bishops and priests act like dead beat dads at times. No one wants to man up.

(02-04-2012, 06:48 PM)The_Harlequin_King Wrote: [ -> ]Because it's good for a man to do something that needs to be done.

Exactly. This is something that defines some limp wristed, pansy adolescent jonsing for a hit, and a real man that understands duty and that daily decisions build character.

I think that men should hold their piers accountable for their actions. For example if your married friend was hitting on women, you would call him out on that.
In HK's defense, I'm fairly certain he would teach at a Catholic school at the drop of a hat if given the chance. And, as he mentioned, he is one of three men in our Latin Mass community who has made the commitment to practice and sing the propers of the Mass at least twice a month. He would also serve at the altar if allowed, but parish politics don't allow for it. Don't ask. It's so incredibly petty that it's not even worth explaining. But it's worth noting, because it explains HK's cynicism with regard to the influence of overbearing women over parish politics.
(02-04-2012, 08:22 PM)rbjmartin Wrote: [ -> ]In HK's defense, I'm fairly certain he would teach at a Catholic school at the drop of a hat if given the chance.

Sure. I just need to get certified.
(02-04-2012, 05:24 PM)TrentCath Wrote: [ -> ]Are you saying that only men should teach boys and vice versa?

I don't think boys should be teaching men anything.  I can't think of one thing a boy can teach a man.  Not one.

Edited to add:  Assuming he's a real man, not one of the limp wristed, video game-playing, perpetual adolescents. 
(02-04-2012, 10:01 AM)su Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-04-2012, 02:31 AM)alphonsusjr Wrote: [ -> ]Such are the risks of getting into bed with the Conciliar Church.

The Roman Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation, is the best thing to be with.

(02-04-2012, 04:16 PM)TrentCath Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-04-2012, 02:26 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote: [ -> ]I was looking at the numbers and I can see how they could be disconcerting to some.

FSSP  has   0 schools
SSPX  has 88 schools + 2 university-level institutes

They have at least 1 boarding school in France I know of and a few more on the continent but still one would think that being 'approved' they could have more schools, but no.

Your right. I sometimes rely on Wikipedia a little to much.
I looked for quite some time but was unable to find a definitive source for the actual numbers.
But I think I found at least four other FSSP schools including one that also closed recently which was St. Stephen Academy in Sacramento, CA. Which shut it doors in June of 2009

The three others I found were;

St. Clement's School in Ottawa, Canada

St. John Vianney Prep. School close to Topeka, KS

Kolbe Immaculata School in Pequnannock, NJ

I also noticed that the FSSP only has two seminaries compared to the six the SSPX currently has.
If these numbers are correct they seem odd to me, I would of thought the FSSP, considering their good standing with the Holy See, would have out paced the SSPX by now.
It makes one wonder if there really has been a conspiracy to sever the Church from her past, but the better part of me thinks there must be a more prosaic explanation for the disparity in the growth rates of the two societies.
It would be interesting to know what the attrition rate is for seminarians for both the FSSP and SSPX.  In other words, how many seminarians leave before ordination.  It would be even more interesting to know how those numbers compare to regular diocesan seminaries.  Somehow, I doubt those numbers are readily available in any case, but I bet they're almost identical. 
I saw a comment about the need for female religious connected with the FSSP. Please pray for this intention, as there are young women like my daughter who are beginning to look for a place to go, and finding the well dry.
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