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Hello,
  I was not sure where to post this, so I put it here.

I'm looking for a list of diocesan latin masses or reverently offered NO masses in the Lake Geneva, WI area. (within 30 to 45 min.)

If there is anybody on this forum familiar with that area?

Thanks
http://www.archmil.org/parishes/Find-Mass.htm

I wouldn't send a link to a Novus Ordo mass if you paid me...  :grin:

I believe Kenosha is roughly within the travel time frame specified (45 minutes) If this is too far, we at one time travelled 90 minutes one way to get to a TLM...So don't whine about 45  :P.

[i]Sunday - February 26, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - March 04, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - March 11, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - March 18, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - March 25, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extrao
rdinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - April 01, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - April 08, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - April 15, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - April 22, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - April 29, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - May 06, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - May 13, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass



Sunday - May 20, 2012
8:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

Low Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


10:00am
St. Stanislaus - Milwaukee
524 W Mitchell St
Milwaukee, WI  53204-3509

High Mass in Latin. Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass. Extraordinary Rite.


12:00pm
Our Lady of Mt Carmel - Kenosha
1919 54th St
Kenosha, WI  53140-3568

Traditional Latin (High) Mass[/i]
Here's a link to the Kenosha church
http://olmckenosha.org/index.html
There is also this one in Volo Illinois, about 38 minutes away (daily mass, too!!!)  :)

http://www.latinmassschedule.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15:illinois&catid=54:tridentine-mass-schedule-by-state&Itemid=2


VOLO

St Peter Church
Location: 27751 Volo Village Rd – Volo, IL 60073
Mass Time: Sun 12:15 pm; Sat 8:00 am; Mon-Fri 6:15 am
Phone number: (815) 385-5496
http://www.stpetervolo.org
Priest: Fr Frank Dietz OMI
Parish Additional Info: Saint Peter Church is a is a Roman Catholic Church located in Volo, Illinois in the northern part of the Archdiocese of Chicago near the intersections of Routes 12 and 120. Volo is located approximately five miles from Fox Lake, Round Lake, Johnsburg, McHenry and Wauconda. St. Peter’s is presently a vibrant, fast-growing family parish that is rooted in the rich traditions of our Catholic faith. Its catechetical and spiritual formation program for young people are particularly important aspects of the parish. For decades, St. Peter Parish remained a small community of dairy farmers. In 1980 the family count was still 45 families. Today we have over 425 families. St Peter Church is under the pastoral care of the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius.

Yes, the Volo EF is staffed by the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius(aka you just hit the jackpot!).
(02-23-2012, 11:06 PM)philosafari Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, the Volo EF is staffed by the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius(aka you just hit the jackpot!).

Nice little Church. And it is even air conditioned in the Summer.

Father Issacson is now the pastor. I never heard of Father Dietz.

We have a lake house near Antioch and it is about a 20 minute drive.

Adam is your house on Loon Lake ?

tim
(02-23-2012, 10:17 PM)matthew_talbot Wrote: [ -> ]There is also this one in Volo Illinois, about 38 minutes away (daily mass, too!!!)  :)

http://www.latinmassschedule.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15:illinois&catid=54:tridentine-mass-schedule-by-state&Itemid=2


VOLO

St Peter Church
Location: 27751 Volo Village Rd – Volo, IL 60073
Mass Time: Sun 12:15 pm; Sat 8:00 am; Mon-Fri 6:15 am
Phone number: (815) 385-5496
http://www.stpetervolo.org
Priest: Fr Frank Dietz OMI
Parish Additional Info: Saint Peter Church is a is a Roman Catholic Church located in Volo, Illinois in the northern part of the Archdiocese of Chicago near the intersections of Routes 12 and 120. Volo is located approximately five miles from Fox Lake, Round Lake, Johnsburg, McHenry and Wauconda. St. Peter’s is presently a vibrant, fast-growing family parish that is rooted in the rich traditions of our Catholic faith. Its catechetical and spiritual formation program for young people are particularly important aspects of the parish. For decades, St. Peter Parish remained a small community of dairy farmers. In 1980 the family count was still 45 families. Today we have over 425 families. St Peter Church is under the pastoral care of the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius.

Thanks, Matt Talbot and everyone else who responded.
We are shooting for the mass in Volo.
(02-23-2012, 07:50 PM)MaximusScriptorius Wrote: [ -> ]Hello,
  I was not sure where to post this, so I put it here.

I'm looking for a list of diocesan latin masses or reverently offered NO masses in the Lake Geneva, WI area. (within 30 to 45 min.)

If there is anybody on this forum familiar with that area?

Thanks

First Sunday of Lent
Sunday, February 26, 2012
4:55 a.m., p.s.t.
8:55 a.m.,  e.s.t.

Hi MaximusScriptorius!    :)

My first of four questions is:

Am I correct in understanding that your primary criteria for a mass is that it is in Latin?

The reason for my question is that, from the standpoint of Catholic Traditional Theology, long before V-2 was ever heard about, the ultimate criterion for a Catholic Traditional Mass was that it be valid.

What does "valid" mean?

This simply means that to be "valid", any Liturgical Rite of Mass, which is found in any valid Missal, is required to contain, unchanged, the ontological essence (that which makes a thing to be what it is - its sine qua non - without which it is not that thing, irregardless what that thing is), and the unchanged metaphysical essence (that which the unchangeable ontological essence does), as these immutable essences for the Liturgical Rite of Mass were perfectly instituted by the Eternal High Priest, the Divine Logos, the Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, Jesus Christ.

In Anglo Saxon English this means that a "mass" in Latin is no guarantee, in and of itself, that said mass in Latin is valid.  There are many invalid masses in Latin, just as there are many invalid masses in the vernacular languages, whether English, Italian, German, Spanish, French, etc., etc.

What the Anglicans did in the 16th Century concerning the Mass and Sacraments was condemned by various Canons and Decrees of the Roman Catholic Council of Trent in the 16th Century.  For example, the Second Prayer Book of Edward VI [1552], made up by the first Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury, the ex-Roman Catholic Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, [b. Nottinghamshire, England in 1489 A.D. - d. burnt at the stake in Oxford, England in 1556 A.D.], was, in effect, condemned by the Canons and Decrees of the Roman Catholic Council of Trent in Session 22, Monday, September 17, 1562 - 10 years after the 1552 mutilated Second Prayer Book of Edward VI [1552].

It should be self-evident that history has repeated itself - most especially when one finds official photos which were published in the Friday, April 10, 1970 edition of the official Papal Newspaper, (L’Osservatore Romano, English edition, of the Pope, His Holiness, Paul Vi, standing with these six Protestants who were, to whatever extent, responsible for making up the new mass, a.k.a. the novus ordo missae, a.k.a. the novus ordo rite (nor):  Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shephard, Dr. Konneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian from the World Council of Churches, the Church of England, the Lutheran Church, and the Protestant Community of Taize.

Dr. Smith, the Lutheran representative, is reported to have publicly boasted:

Quote:“We have finished the work that Martin Luther began.” 

Brother Max Thurian joined the Protestant chorus and is reported to have said:

Quote:“This Novus Ordo Missae is so profoundly Ecumenical that it is theologically possible for Protestants to celebrate the Lord’s Supper in the SAME WORDS.  The new
simplified Offertory does NOT anticipate a sacrificial act (as it does in the Catholic Mass) and therefore does away with the difficulty which the “old” Offertory (of the Catholic Mass) presented to (false) Ecumenical efforts.”

That these six Protestants, to wit:  Dr. George, Canon Jasper, Dr. Shephard, Dr. Konneth, Dr. Smith, and Brother Max Thurian, were active in helping to make up the new mass was reportedly admitted by one of the two Protestant “observers” from Taizé, namely, Roger Schutz, who described a typical day from that period of time in the following manner:

Quote:“Before noontime, while leaving the Council meetings, we would meet up with the bishops we had made appointments with, and bring them to our apartment... There was no lack of conciliar work to discuss. For example, we would closely study the evolution of the texts, write up notes, and give our point of view when asked. Signs of friendship toward us were impressive. One could even say that they expected too much [involvement] from us... “ (J. L. Gonzales-Balado, Le défi de Taizé, Editions du Seuil, 1977, p.13).

But later, Brother Max Thurian is reported to have later recanted, publishing an article highly critical of the Novus Ordo Missae, including the statement that:

Quote:“...the great problem of contemporary liturgical life (apathy towards worship, boredom, lack of vitality and participation) stems from the fact that the celebration has sometimes lost its character as mystery, which fosters the spirit of adoration.”

It should be remembered that:

Quote:“....the NOVUS ORDO represents, both as a whole and in its details, a striking departure from the Catholic theology of the Mass as it was formulated in Session 22 of the Synod of Trent.  The Canons on the (Ancient Roman) Rite definitively fixed at that time provided an insurmountable barrier to any heresy directed against the integrity of the Mystery.”  (Alfredo Cardinal Ottaviani [b. at Rome, Italy on Wednesday, October 29, 1890 - d. at Rome, Italy on Friday, August 3, 1979] was Secretary of the Holy Office of the Roman Curia from 1959 to 1966 when that dicastery was reorganized as the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, in which he served as Pro-Prefect, until 1968, LETTER TO POPE PAUL, Sept. 25, 1969.)

Quote:“Synod Vatican 2 was a sinister farce acted out by three thousand good-for-nothings, some of whom, despite the gold (pectoral) crosses on their chests, don’t even believe in the Trinity or the Virgin”  (Bishop Antonio Romeo of the Sacred Congregation of Rites in Bob Considine’s column ON THE LINE in the NEW YORK JOURNAL AMERICAN of Friday, November 27, 1964.

Quote:“Synod Vatican 2 was the greatest disaster in recent ecclesiastical history” (Giuseppe Cardinal Siri [b. Sunday, May 20, 1906 in Genoa, Italy - d. Tuesday, May 2, 1989], Archbishop of Genoa, Italy, from Pontiff, p. 369 - Gordon Thomas/Max Morgan Witts).

Quote:"Let those who like myself have known and sung a Latin-Gregorian High Mass remember it if they can.  Let them compare it with the Mass that we now have.  Not only the words, the melodies, and some of the gestures are different.  To tell the Truth, it is a different liturgy of the Mass.  This needs to be said without ambiguity:  the Roman Rite as we knew it no longer exists (le rite romain tel que nous l'avons connu n'existe plus].  It has been destroyed [il est detruit).  Some walls of the former edifice have fallen while others have changed their appearance, to the extent that it appears today either as a ruin or the partial substructure of a different building.  We must not weep over the ruins or dream of an historical reconstruction"  (Father Joseph Gelineau S.J., b. at Champ-sur-Layon, Maine-et-Loire, West-Central France, on Sunday, October 31, 1920 - d. at Sallanches, a commune in the Haute-Savoie  department in the Rhône-Alps, South-Eastern France, on Friday, August 8, 2008.   He was a Synod Vatican 2 peritus - expert - who helped to make up the new mass along with other anti-Catholics and the 6 Protestants.  He was, of course, a professional apologist for the new mass and was also one of the most influential members of Archbishop Annibale Bugnini's Consilium, which composed the New Mass.  “Demain La Liturgie,” Latin Mass, November-December 1992, p. 32; emphasis added.)

Quote:“The intention of Pope Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic Liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy [which is only a memorial supper meal, not a sacrifice].  There was with Pope Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or, at least to correct, or, at least to relax, what was too Catholic in the traditional sense in the Mass and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist mass” (Jean Guitton [b. at Saint-Étienne, Loire, in East-Central France on Sunday, August 18, 1901 - d. at Paris, France on Sunday, March 21, 1999], Apropos, Number 17, December 19, 1993, (17), p. 8ff.  Also, Christian Order, October,1994. N.B.:  Jean Guitton was a confidant and an intimate friend of Pope Paul 6 who had 116 of his books and had made marginal study notes in 17 of these books.  Quotation and citations are in Christopher A. Ferrara and Thomas E. Woods, Jr., The Great Facade, The Remnant Publishing Company, 2002, p. 317).

Jean Guitton, a close friend of Paul VI, repeated the same thing in a mid-1990 radio interview:

Quote:“The intention of Paul VI with regard to what is commonly called the Mass, was to reform the Catholic liturgy in such a way that it should almost coincide with the Protestant liturgy — but what is curious is that Paul VI did that to get as close as possible to the Protestant Lord's supper.... there was with Paul VI an ecumenical intention to remove, or at least to correct, or at least to relax, what was too Catholic, in the traditional sense, in the Mass – and, I repeat, to get the Catholic Mass closer to the Calvinist Mass” (Jean Guitton, December 19 Radio Discourse, cited from Anthony Fraser, “Ecumenism – a Disaster for the Church”, Apropos, No. 18, 1996 (Scotland), p. 122).

Thus the first requirements for a real, authentic, genuine, valid Catholic Traditional Rite of Mass and why the 16th Century "masses" of Cranmer, Luther, et alii, were all invalid and why the new mass is per se invalid in all languages - including Latin!

The second requirement for a real, authentic, genuine, valid Catholic Traditional Rite of Mass is that it be offered by a real, authentic, genuine, valid Catholic Prelate or Priest.

Here again, what is required to make a mass "valid" is what is also required to make the Mass Celebrant, whether a Prelate or a Priest, valid.

Hence, in this context, a valid Mass Celebrant is a person who received at least the Sacrament of the Most Holy Priesthood validly.

In other words, the liturgical rite used by a validly Consecrated Bishop, irregardless his rank of Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, in the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Priesthood, must of itself contain, unchanged, the ontological essence (that which makes a thing to be what it is - its sine qua non - without which it is not that thing, irregardless what that thing is), and the unchanged metaphysical essence (that which the unchangeable ontological essence does), of the Holy Sacrament of the Priesthood, as these immutable essences were perfectly instituted by the Eternal High Priest, the Divine Logos, the Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, Jesus Christ.

It should go without saying that in order for a Bishop, irregardless his rank of Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, to be a valid Bishop, he himself must have received the Holy Sacrament of the Episcopacy from a valid Bishop, irregardless his rank of Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction, to be a valid Bishop, who administered the Holy Sacrament of the Episcopacy using a liturgical rite for the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Episcopacy, which liturgical rite must of itself contain, unchanged, the ontological essence (that which makes a thing to be what it is - its sine qua non - without which it is not that thing, irregardless what that thing is), and the unchanged metaphysical essence (that which the unchangeable ontological essence does), of the Holy Sacrament of the Episcopacy, as these immutable essences were perfectly instituted by the Eternal High Priest, the Divine Logos, the Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, Jesus Christ.

As to which liturgical rite is valid for the administration of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, specifically for the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Priesthood, and most especially for the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Episcopacy, Catholics should humbly and prayerfully read the Encyclical Apostolicæ Curæ
of the Roman Catholic Pope, His Holiness Pope Leo XIII, Gioacchino Pecci [Wednesday, February 20, 1878 - Monday, July 20, 1903], Promulgated on Friday, September 18, 1896, which is a Papal Formal Declaration of the Invalidity of Anglican Orders.

It should not need to be said that the Roman Catholic Pontificale Romanum, which contains the Catholic Traditional Liturgical Rites for the valid Administration of the Sacrament of Holy Orders was also changed, just as the Missale Romanum was also changed - "destroyed" is the word used by Father Joseph Gelineau S.J.

Those Roman Catholics who interpret the Canons and Decrees of the Roman Catholic Council Vatican I that the Roman Catholic Pope is per se infallible in the exercise of his Papal Infallibility, both within the exercise of his formal jurisdiction (ex cathedra), and also the exercise of his Papal Infallibility within the exercise of his informal jurisdiction (ordinary jurisdiction), based upon this infallible Conciliar decree, take the position that whatever is the object of the ordinary jurisdiction of the Pope, which includes such things as each Papal Motu Proprio (on his own initiative), encyclical, etc., is in virtue of the said decree, both irreformable and per se infallible and must be received as such by all members of the Roman Catholic Church.

My second of four questions is:

Within the context of the above data, what guarantees do you require to actually PROVE to yourself, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the Missal in Latin, which is used at masses you attend, actually contains the required valid Liturgical Rite for Offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as immutably instituted by Jesus Christ?

My third of four questions is:

Within the context of the above data, what guarantees do you require to actually PROVE to yourself, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the Pontificale Romanum, which the Ordaining Bishop used for the administration of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, most especially for the administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Priesthood to the "priest" who is using the Missal in Latin at masses you attend, contained the required valid liturgical rite for the valid administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Priesthood as immutably instituted by Jesus Christ?  In other words, is the "priest" at whose "masses in Latin" you attend, really a validly Ordained Roman Catholic Priest?

My fourth of four questions is:

Within the context of the above data, what guarantees do you require to actually PROVE to yourself, beyond the shadow of any doubt, that the Pontificale Romanum, which the required valid Consecrating Bishop used for the administration of the Sacrament of Holy Orders, most especially for the valid administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Episcopacy to the "bishop", of whatever ecclesiastical rank of jurisdiction he might have, who had "ordained" the "priest" at whose "masses in Latin" you attend, was indeed a valid edition of the Pontificale Romanum as required by His Holiness, Pope Leo XIII in Apostolicae Curae, which Pontificale Romanum contains the required valid liturgical rite for the valid administration of the Sacrament of the Holy Episcopacy as immutably instituted by Jesus Christ?  In other words, is the "bishop" who "ordained" the "priest" at whose "masses in Latin" you attend, really a validly Ordained Roman Catholic Bishop?

Conclusion:

Dear MaximusScriptorius:

Is it really logical for you to conclude that those anti-Catholic Infiltrators (identified by the Roman Catholic Pope, Saint Pius X, as Modernist heretics, a.k.a. the New Theology Theologians of today, along with the other anti-Catholic Infiltrators such as the Communists, Illuminati, Freemasons, Zionists, etc.), who brought forth the anti-Catholic, updated 16th Century Protestant liturgical mass rite, in the form of the new mass, would actually permit a real and valid Catholic Traditional Rite of Mass to be used anywhere in the world in "their church"?

Dear, Dear, MaximusScriptorius:

Is it really logical for you to conclude that those anti-Catholic Infiltrators (identified by the Roman Catholic Pope, Saint Pius X, as Modernist heretics, a.k.a. the New Theology Theologians of today, along with the other anti-Catholic Infiltrators such as the Communists, Illuminati, Freemasons, Zionists, etc.), who brought forth the anti-Catholic, updated 16th Century Protestant liturgical rites for the Sacraments, especially for the Priesthood and the Episcopacy, in the form of the updated Pontificale Romanum, would actually permit a real and valid Catholic Traditional Pontificale Romanum to be used anywhere in the world in "their church"?

This is why some Catholic Traditional Roman Catholic Priests and Prelates descended into the modern-day Catacombs in order to preserve, unchanged, the immutable essences for the Liturgical Rites for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Seven Sacraments which were perfectly instituted by the Eternal High Priest, the Divine Logos, the Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, Jesus Christ. 

As a "reward" for their fidelity to, and preservation of, the immutable Catholic Faith, and the immutable liturgical rites for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the Seven Sacraments, some of them have been assassinated by these enemies of Jesus Christ, while others have been slandered, vilified, and otherwise persecuted because these faithful Clergy have had the wisdom, the fortitude, and the courage to remain totally independent of the Vatican, concerning which even His Holiness, Pope Paul VI publicly stated the following:

Quote:“From somewhere or other the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God ... In the Church, too, this state of uncertainty reigns. We thought that after the Council [Synod Vatican 2] a day of sunshine would have dawned for the history of the Church. What dawned, instead, was a day of clouds and storms, of darkness, of searching and uncertainties” (Pope Paul 6, Giovanni Battista Montini [Friday, June 21, 1963 - Sunday, August 6, 1978], Sermon on the Feast Day of the Holy Apostles, Saints Peter and Paul, Thursday, June 29, 1972, the ninth anniversary of his Papal Coronation as Pope, the last time a Roman Catholic Pope was crowned with the traditional Papal Tiara, the visible symbol of the Office of the Roman Catholic Papacy).

Concerning this incredible statement:

Quote:“Indeed [Pope] Paul had alluded somberly to the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary... an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by  SATANISTS  in the Vatican” (Father Malachi Brendan Martin, S.J. [b. in County Kerry, Ireland on Saturday, July 23, 1921 A.D. -  d. at New York, New York on Tuesday, July 27, 1999 A.D.], The Keys of This Blood, p. 632; emphasis added).

Dear MaximusScriptorius:

Is it any wonder, then, that real Catholic Traditional Priests and Prelates have descended into the modern-day Catacombs and have nothing to do with the Satanists and other anti-Catholic Infiltrators in the Vatican?

Is it any wonder that such faithful Clergy are physically killed, while others are maligned, and despised with the Satanic propaganda against them?  They want nothing to do with a "church" filled with the smoke of Satan!

A word to the wise is sufficient.
An ocean of words to the foolish is incomprehensible because of the terrible darkness in which they reside.

At Fatima Our Blessed Mother promised:

Quote:"But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will Triumph; Russia will be converted...."

Thank You for Reading!   :)

God Bless You!   :pray:

A Catholic Catholic  -  Father Jim
Hey OP,
The SSPX chapel in Mukwonago is *far* closer to Lake Geneva than the Milwaukee chapels.  Or the Volo chapel.

Just as a heads up.
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