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Given in English at Villepreux, France for the SSPX's pilgrimage to Orleans in commemoration of the 600th anniversary of the birth of St. Joan of Arc.

"It seems clear that, if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church, if we can speak like this. Therefore not for us only, but also for all the Church, so that the whole Church may gain from it, from this magnificent thing, the Christian life..."


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http://www.dici.org/en/multimedia/sermon...-may-27th/
(05-29-2012, 02:59 AM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]Given in English at Villepreux, France for the SSPX's pilgrimage to Orleans in commemoration of the 600th anniversary of the birth of St. Joan of Arc.

"It seems clear that, if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church, if we can speak like this. Therefore not for us only, but also for all the Church, so that the whole Church may gain from it, from this magnificent thing, the Christian life..."

The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.  Is there any other way?  Yes, through the direct hand of Our Lord in a supernatural way.  However, I see this as actually the work and design of the Holy Ghost, who should know what is best for the Church.  In every instance where the Church finds herself assailed and appears near defeat, God always sends somebody to put things back in order.  But the naysayers keep screaming, "No, not until Rome converts and returns to Tradition, then we will rejoin!"  Really.


(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity. 

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.
(05-29-2012, 07:20 AM)City Smurf Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.

Define your understanding, interpretation, meaning of "catholicity."  Although many other religions (the Orthodox) and denominations (e.g. Anglicans) make the claim, only the Roman Catholic Church can make that declaration.

And then, how do you understand "heresy."
The Church is indefectible.  The pope is not.

I actually totally get both sides of the current SSPX argument.  That said, if all that Bp. Fellay says is true, I think you've got to trust in the hand of Providence and give Rome a chance.  Provided, of course, there are proper safeguards.
(05-29-2012, 08:21 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 07:20 AM)City Smurf Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.

Define your understanding, interpretation, meaning of "catholicity."  Although many other religions (the Orthodox) and denominations (e.g. Anglicans) make the claim, only the Roman Catholic Church can make that declaration.

And then, how do you understand "heresy."

Not to mention how he understands the term "Rome," and... define "is"  Sticking tongue out at you
(05-29-2012, 07:20 AM)City Smurf Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity. 

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.

That might not be the ideal phrase to describe the problem, but there really is a problem.  And I agree with Bishop Fellay that regularizing the SSPX will help solve the problem.
(05-29-2012, 10:49 AM)tmw89 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 08:21 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 07:20 AM)City Smurf Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.

Define your understanding, interpretation, meaning of "catholicity."  Although many other religions (the Orthodox) and denominations (e.g. Anglicans) make the claim, only the Roman Catholic Church can make that declaration.

And then, how do you understand "heresy."

Not to mention how he understands the term "Rome," and... define "is"  Sticking tongue out at you

Such claims need to be elaborated.
(05-29-2012, 12:24 PM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 10:49 AM)tmw89 Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 08:21 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 07:20 AM)City Smurf Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.

To say that Rome has lost her catholicity is heresy.

Define your understanding, interpretation, meaning of "catholicity."  Although many other religions (the Orthodox) and denominations (e.g. Anglicans) make the claim, only the Roman Catholic Church can make that declaration.

And then, how do you understand "heresy."

Not to mention how he understands the term "Rome," and... define "is"  Sticking tongue out at you

Such claims need to be elaborated.

No need for elaboration.  Just look at the Universal Church in its entirety and look for any place (archdiocese, diocese, parish, etc.) that there may be an heresiarch holding court (horrors, hopefully not) or the pall of heterodoxy hovering over the faithful, and if none, then we can assert and aver that there is true catholicity.  Catholicity = Tradition (cap "T") and vice versa.  There is such a thing as the threefold test of catholicity that differentiates between true and false traditions:  ecumenicity (the state of being UNITED), antiquity, and consent.  Therefore, for the proper reading and understanding of the Catholic Faith, Ethos, and the Christian Way of Life, it is prudent to read first the Commonitorium of St. Vincent of Lerins (for proof of catholicity).
(05-29-2012, 06:59 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-29-2012, 02:59 AM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]Given in English at Villepreux, France for the SSPX's pilgrimage to Orleans in commemoration of the 600th anniversary of the birth of St. Joan of Arc.

"It seems clear that, if we are wanted, it is to reintroduce Tradition in the Church, if we can speak like this. Therefore not for us only, but also for all the Church, so that the whole Church may gain from it, from this magnificent thing, the Christian life..."

The only way for the return of Rome to true catholicity.  Is there any other way?  Yes, through the direct hand of Our Lord in a supernatural way.  However, I see this as actually the work and design of the Holy Ghost, who should know what is best for the Church.  In every instance where the Church finds herself assailed and appears near defeat, God always sends somebody to put things back in order.   But the naysayers keep screaming, "No, not until Rome converts and returns to Tradition, then we will rejoin!"  Really.

Excellent take on it.