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A good article on Rorate Caeli today.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/


SSPX: Last-Minute Hurdles?
guest-post by Côme de Prévigny

> On April 18, Andrea Tornielli titled on his blog Sacri Palazzi: "Fellay's response is positive". For him, the agreement had been made. Always well informed by the Romans responsible for the dossier, he deemed himself authorized to write: "the text of the preamble delivered by Bp. Fellay proposes some minor modifications of the version sent by the Vatican authorities." And, every day that followed it, the most optimistic rumors spread out. In support of what was known within the Vatican, from the very prelates in charge of the affair, Jean-Marie Guénois, always well informed, said from his corner: "It is a matter of days, and not of weeks anymore [...]. These last few weeks, the final points have been settled between Rome and Écône in order to better respond to the demands of 'clarifications' asked for by the Vatican on March 16."

> Yet, two months later, a thick fog descends upon the religious landscape. While all observers thought that they saw the Roman Pontiff decide once and for all the matter to which he had dedicated a good part of his pontificate upon the delivery of a new document to Bishop Fellay on June 13, the communiqué of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of June 14 foresaw an "additional moment of reflection". The one from the Society of Saint Pius X, of the same day, gave rise to the same uncertainty by evoking a "new phase of discussions". Even if it is known that this kind of rebound is usual in the end of difficult negotiations, one can only speculate, particularly since the number of Roman prelates who thought that the agreement would be formalized is quite larger than than those who seemed to want this new postponement. It is as if those who accused Bp. Fellay of never being able to decide suddenly found themselves with a beam in their eyes.

> Already within the Society, those spirits for whom an agreement with the Apostolic See is unthinkable began to delude themselves by imagining that their action had dealt a fatal blow to this fateful process which intended, in their view, to destroy them. If their reasoning were to be followed, it should rather be imagined that Rome would have taken advantage of the division of the four bishops to deal a fatal blow to the work of Abp. Lefebvre by moving on with the process until the end. The rebound of June 13 makes them look mistaken in every scenario.

> What was it then that happened between April and June? In the month of May, according to several agreeing sources, the feria quarta [Wednesday] meeting of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, aware that they acted according to the will of the Pope, endorsed the final draft proposed by Bp. Fellay, following several movements of the text between Rome and Menzingen. The Pope imagined it - the Cardinals accomplished it. Despite a certain number of absentees and of some restriction of placet iusta modum, the text had finally had the consent of their Eminences, probably aware that they would not have to meet forever. On that day, the agreement was virtually concluded. On the basis of clearly defined positions on the occasion of the doctrinal discussions that had delineated the differences, Pope Benedict XVI was ready to grant to the Society that which Abp. Lefebvre had tirelessly asked from Cardinal Ratzinger: the assurance of a traditional episcopate independent from the pressures of the local conferences.

> If the internet offers a magnifying effect to the fiery sermons of some Traditionalist priests who think  they can undermine their hierarchy by having their words propagated by Sedevacantist websites, the web does not say anything of the real issues afflicting the Church. Bp. Fellay reached in mid-April the limits of the line granted to the Society by Abp. Lefebvre, at the very risk of causing dismay to some of his colleagues who increased the manifestations of their fears. Those Roman interlocutors who have provoked this rebound have probably not really perceived this. It is also likely that they feared the increase of the silent opposition of the German episcopate, who presented their own ultimatums to the Successor of Peter. The extreme reluctance of Bp. Fellay seemed to suggest that they hid themselves behind formulas that created an impasse upon several months of clarifications and discussions, thus risking their own disavowal.

> Paradoxically, they have rendered a great service to Bp. Fellay, by allowing him to show that, while doing his utmost for the canonical recognition of the eminently Roman work of Abp. Lefebvre, his firmness remained intact, as is shown by the way by a letter of Father Thouvenot fraudulently released on the internet. The fact remains that  only the Pope has the power to bind and loose. Faced with all opposition - the strongest of which being that of those closes to him -, it is to him that belongs, in fine, the right to decide. After twelve years of discussions, at the end of seven years of pontificate, this man, who a few weeks ago said that enough injustices had been committed against the Society, will set in place the endpoint which he alone, as head of the Church, has the right to set in place.
Buried in there is the possibility that the Vatican watches here. The publishing of those that would prefer this not happen, who are in the traditionalist camp has been noted. If Pope Benedict XVI gave Bishop Fellay and the entire SSPX the ability to criticize Vatican II and jurisdiction there are those that will never like it, and will work to split them. Prayer, prayer, prayer !

tim
(06-26-2012, 11:54 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Buried in there is the possibility that the Vatican watches here. The publishing of those that would prefer this not happen, who are in the traditionalist camp has been noted. If Pope Benedict XVI gave Bishop Fellay and the entire SSPX the ability to criticize Vatican II and jurisdiction there are those that will never like it, and will work to split them. Prayer, prayer, prayer !

tim

I'm sure you're right, that a site like this is monitored. I guess what I'm most afraid of, is that, with the failure of the reconciliation, Rome will permanently lose a great reforming force and the SSPX will be left divided and weakened for years to come. This whole lose-lose situation just seems so depressing, but, as you said, we just have to pray.  At least we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him.

:pray: Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
Fatima's answers get closer and closer....
Which Vatican Official monitors this website? Any Suggestions?? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
(06-26-2012, 08:30 PM)salus Wrote: [ -> ]Which Vatican Official monitors this website? Any Suggestions?? :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

What are you laughing about, Sulus? Don't you have another new topic to start? It has already been five minutes.
(06-26-2012, 03:19 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 11:54 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Buried in there is the possibility that the Vatican watches here. The publishing of those that would prefer this not happen, who are in the traditionalist camp has been noted. If Pope Benedict XVI gave Bishop Fellay and the entire SSPX the ability to criticize Vatican II and jurisdiction there are those that will never like it, and will work to split them. Prayer, prayer, prayer !

tim

I'm sure you're right, that a site like this is monitored. I guess what I'm most afraid of, is that, with the failure of the reconciliation, Rome will permanently lose a great reforming force and the SSPX will be left divided and weakened for years to come. This whole lose-lose situation just seems so depressing, but, as you said, we just have to pray.  At least we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him.

:pray: Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Unlikely, if the deal completely fails Bishop Fellay may well be deposed.
(06-26-2012, 09:25 PM)TrentCath Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 03:19 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 11:54 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Buried in there is the possibility that the Vatican watches here. The publishing of those that would prefer this not happen, who are in the traditionalist camp has been noted. If Pope Benedict XVI gave Bishop Fellay and the entire SSPX the ability to criticize Vatican II and jurisdiction there are those that will never like it, and will work to split them. Prayer, prayer, prayer !

tim

I'm sure you're right, that a site like this is monitored. I guess what I'm most afraid of, is that, with the failure of the reconciliation, Rome will permanently lose a great reforming force and the SSPX will be left divided and weakened for years to come. This whole lose-lose situation just seems so depressing, but, as you said, we just have to pray.  At least we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him.

:pray: Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Unlikely, if the deal completely fails Bishop Fellay may well be deposed.
I think they are already in the "To big to fail" stage.
(06-26-2012, 09:28 PM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 09:25 PM)TrentCath Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 03:19 PM)Might_4_Right Wrote: [ -> ]
(06-26-2012, 11:54 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Buried in there is the possibility that the Vatican watches here. The publishing of those that would prefer this not happen, who are in the traditionalist camp has been noted. If Pope Benedict XVI gave Bishop Fellay and the entire SSPX the ability to criticize Vatican II and jurisdiction there are those that will never like it, and will work to split them. Prayer, prayer, prayer !

tim

I'm sure you're right, that a site like this is monitored. I guess what I'm most afraid of, is that, with the failure of the reconciliation, Rome will permanently lose a great reforming force and the SSPX will be left divided and weakened for years to come. This whole lose-lose situation just seems so depressing, but, as you said, we just have to pray.  At least we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him.

:pray: Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

Unlikely, if the deal completely fails Bishop Fellay may well be deposed.
I think they are already in the "To big to fail" stage.

Indeed, that may be, but we shall see.
Quote:...this man, who a few weeks ago said that enough injustices had been committed against the Society, will set in place the endpoint which he alone, as head of the Church, has the right to set in place.

Has anyone been able to source this comment?

I hadn't heard it, and I find myself doubting it.
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