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Todays Catholics have lost the faith significantly more in numbers and degree than those during the Arian Heresy.

Arianism predominantly affected the episcopacy and clergy.
I don't deny the crisis, but the nature of our time is different. Mass communication, literacy, education of the laity, a whole different religious and political backdrop, etc. Ultimately the score is how many go to heaven or hell, which God only knows.

Conditions are also just as more potent for restoration than in times passed.

"Where sin abounded, grace did more abound."
Jansenism was about as widespread in its time as modernism is in ours and about as destructive to the Faith.  Every age has dealt with attacks from the outside or errors from within, not to mention the weaknesses of the Church's members.  But the gates of hell did not prevail against Her.  Nor will they this time.

We would be better off with more praying and less complaining.
(07-14-2012, 11:59 AM)Scriptorium Wrote: [ -> ]I don't deny the crisis, but the nature of our time is different. Mass communication, literacy, education of the laity, a whole different religious and political backdrop, etc. Ultimately the score is how many go to heaven or hell, which God only knows.

What do you mean by score?  It doesn't really matter if everyone goes to Hell except the Blessed Mother.  Our Lord has His victory of sin and death regardless of the numbers.
(07-14-2012, 10:27 AM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ]That respect is due to the Pope is just as much a part of our faith as the honour due to the Blessed Virgin.  This thread is an indirect attack on the Holy Father by claiming that he has appointed a heretic.  Our Lord did not give us His Mother to be used as a weapon against his Vicar on earth. 

It is not a claim, it is a fact. One word to describe your attitude is DENIAL. Of the many cardinals* that Benedict could had chosen for the role, even when non-traditional in the full sense of the word (Burke, Ranjith, even Cardinal Cañizares) he picks precisely THIS. Hell, Levada was a staunch thomist traditionalist in comparison.

*I might add, why not make Bishop Schneider a Cardinal and appoint him for the role?
(07-14-2012, 05:13 PM)Jesusbrea Wrote: [ -> ]It is not a claim, it is a fact. One word to describe your attitude is DENIAL. Of the many cardinals* that Benedict could had chosen for the role, even when non-traditional in the full sense of the word (Burke, Ranjith, even Cardinal Cañizares) he picks precisely THIS. Hell, Levada was a staunch thomist traditionalist in comparison.

*I might add, why not make Bishop Schneider a Cardinal and appoint him for the role?
Cause Schneider is an antiquated theologian.
He does not speak in ambiguous terms.
He offers the TLM.
And there would be no window of opportunity to make him suspect of heresy. Hence, the modernists would not defend him like they do Muller et al.
(07-14-2012, 05:13 PM)Jesusbrea Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-14-2012, 10:27 AM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ]That respect is due to the Pope is just as much a part of our faith as the honour due to the Blessed Virgin.  This thread is an indirect attack on the Holy Father by claiming that he has appointed a heretic.  Our Lord did not give us His Mother to be used as a weapon against his Vicar on earth. 

It is not a claim, it is a fact. One word to describe your attitude is DENIAL. Of the many cardinals* that Benedict could had chosen for the role, even when non-traditional in the full sense of the word (Burke, Ranjith, even Cardinal Cañizares) he picks precisely THIS. Hell, Levada was a staunch thomist traditionalist in comparison.

*I might add, why not make Bishop Schneider a Cardinal and appoint him for the role?

The claim that Archbishop Muller is a heretic is not supported by sufficient evidence for it to be called a fact.   Some speculation that I have seen about his appointment suggests that it signals the Pope's intention to move against the rebellious liberal German bishops.  There have been enough complaints about Muller by liberals to give some credibiity to this speculation.

Many people in this thread do not seem even willing to consider the possibility that the Pope knows what he is doing. 
(07-14-2012, 05:24 PM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-14-2012, 05:13 PM)Jesusbrea Wrote: [ -> ]It is not a claim, it is a fact. One word to describe your attitude is DENIAL. Of the many cardinals* that Benedict could had chosen for the role, even when non-traditional in the full sense of the word (Burke, Ranjith, even Cardinal Cañizares) he picks precisely THIS. Hell, Levada was a staunch thomist traditionalist in comparison.

*I might add, why not make Bishop Schneider a Cardinal and appoint him for the role?
Cause Schneider is an antiquated theologian.
He does not speak in ambiguous terms.
He offers the TLM.
And there would be no window of opportunity to make him suspect of heresy. Hence, the modernists would not defend him like they do Muller et al.

Do you have any evidence to support any of these claims?  They seem to come from your imagination.
(07-14-2012, 06:11 PM)JayneK Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-14-2012, 05:24 PM)GottmitunsAlex Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-14-2012, 05:13 PM)Jesusbrea Wrote: [ -> ]It is not a claim, it is a fact. One word to describe your attitude is DENIAL. Of the many cardinals* that Benedict could had chosen for the role, even when non-traditional in the full sense of the word (Burke, Ranjith, even Cardinal Cañizares) he picks precisely THIS. Hell, Levada was a staunch thomist traditionalist in comparison.

*I might add, why not make Bishop Schneider a Cardinal and appoint him for the role?
Cause Schneider is an antiquated theologian.
He does not speak in ambiguous terms.
He offers the TLM.
And there would be no window of opportunity to make him suspect of heresy. Hence, the modernists would not defend him like they do Muller et al.

Do you have any evidence to support any of these claims?  They seem to come from your imagination.
All combined, the SSPX in total probably doesn't even meet the same numbers as just the Diocese of Frieburg, which serves around 2 million. Germany has over 25million+ Catholics.

The SSPX is a drop in the bucket. Would be bad for them to go into formal schism, but Germany is about to swirl like a turd down the sewer pipe.

Bishop Muller's appointment seems more likely to address Germany than the SSPX.

The baby with a bottle in his mouth may scream, but the hungry infant is the one which gets attention.


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