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Video footage of a convert from Islam to Christianity being murdered by Muslims has been shown on Egyptian TV, according to the Barnabas Fund.

The graphic incident, which is reported to have taken place in Tunisia, was aired on a program called Egypt Today.

The footage shows a young man being held down by masked men with a knife to his throat. One man chants a number of Muslim prayers in Arabic, mostly condemning Christianity. The man holding the knife to the Christian convert’s throat begins to cut, slowly severing the head amid cries of “Allahu Akbar” (“god is great”).


Council of Clermont

Pope Urban II

Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor.
Let's try to rebuilt Christendom before we start thinking about a crusade again.
(07-13-2012, 12:44 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: [ -> ]Let's try to rebuilt Christendom before we start thinking about a crusade again.

You mean try to repair the house before trying to stop the barbarian from killing the people inside it?

We can walk and chew gum at the same time, I think.
Because the original Crusades were so damn successful you mean?  Should we redo the Children's Crusade or the People's Crusade first do you think?
(07-13-2012, 12:52 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]Because the original Crusades were so damn successful you mean?  Should we redo the Children's Crusade or the People's Crusade first do you think?

Actually the First Crusade was extremely successful the later Crusades of which truly you can only mention the 2nd and 3rd again were relatively successful every other after that of course were either not real crusades or were hampered by the disobedience and unfaithfulness of those in charge of them.

The examples you give are red herrings and ridiculous devoid of any serious discussion or consideration. 
(07-13-2012, 12:57 AM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:52 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]Because the original Crusades were so damn successful you mean?  Should we redo the Children's Crusade or the People's Crusade first do you think?

Actually the First Crusade was extremely successful the later Crusades of which truly you can only mention the 2nd and 3rd again were relatively successful every other after that of course were either not real crusades or were hampered by the disobedience and unfaithfulness of those in charge of them.

The examples you give are red herrings and ridiculous devoid of any serious discussion or consideration. 

The Crusades were not successful in any way, shape, manner or form.  They were fine for what they were at the time.  But to suggest that we need a modern incarnation is ludicrous and suggests a severe myopia in addition to far too much time spent playing World of Warcraft. 
(07-13-2012, 12:48 AM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:44 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: [ -> ]Let's try to rebuilt Christendom before we start thinking about a crusade again.

You mean try to repair the house before trying to stop the barbarian from killing the people inside it?

We can walk and chew gum at the same time, I think.

It's more like trying to defend a pile of rubble that used to be a house.

I like the Crusades and would have supported them financially (presuming my socio-economic status were similar to what it is now). I also appreciate scholars who are willing to re-evaluate the crusades with a favorable (or at least not blatantly unfavorable) historiography.

At the same time, though, I don't see what good calling for a modern Crusade is. It's a nice romantic notion, sure. But the institution which created the crusades--the papacy--no longer has the political sway it once did. The pope's a respected religious leader these days, but if he couldn't rally a much more Catholic world to the defense of the long-established papal states in the 19th century, I doubt he'd be able to upset the geopolitical landscape in a largely secular age.
(07-13-2012, 01:05 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:57 AM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:52 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]Because the original Crusades were so damn successful you mean?  Should we redo the Children's Crusade or the People's Crusade first do you think?

Actually the First Crusade was extremely successful the later Crusades of which truly you can only mention the 2nd and 3rd again were relatively successful every other after that of course were either not real crusades or were hampered by the disobedience and unfaithfulness of those in charge of them.

The examples you give are red herrings and ridiculous devoid of any serious discussion or consideration. 

The Crusades were not successful in any way, shape, manner or form.  They were fine for what they were at the time.  But to suggest that we need a modern incarnation is ludicrous and suggests a severe myopia in addition to far too much time spent playing World of Warcraft. 

The First Crusade was pretty successful. The establishment of the Latin states in the Levant was a respectable feat, as was their preservation and reconquest over throughout the successive crusades. Of course, in the end, we basically lost, though not without securing better treatment for pilgrims, which was really the point to begin with. Perhaps even more importantly, the Western world gained valuable knowledge (and merchant items) from the East, which was, in broad terms, a success.
(07-13-2012, 01:05 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:57 AM)Unum Sint Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-13-2012, 12:52 AM)DrBombay Wrote: [ -> ]Because the original Crusades were so damn successful you mean?  Should we redo the Children's Crusade or the People's Crusade first do you think?

Actually the First Crusade was extremely successful the later Crusades of which truly you can only mention the 2nd and 3rd again were relatively successful every other after that of course were either not real crusades or were hampered by the disobedience and unfaithfulness of those in charge of them.

The examples you give are red herrings and ridiculous devoid of any serious discussion or consideration. 

The Crusades were not successful in any way, shape, manner or form.  They were fine for what they were at the time.  But to suggest that we need a modern incarnation is ludicrous and suggests a severe myopia in addition to far too much time spent playing World of Warcraft. 

So the recovery of the Iberian peninsula which is better known in history as the "Reconquista" tell me what part of the World of Warcraft was that? Also the 200 years for which the Kingdom of Jerusalem stood under Christian hands, yes please tell me what part of the end of the world... of warcraft was that?
Would't work in this day and age. Back then crusaders were fighting conventional warfare against disciplined advanced Muslim armies. They weren't fighting against suicide bombers, gas attacks, hidden land mines and car bombs.
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