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How is it that the Communists and Freemasons managed to influence the Church so successfully from within, even starting from the lowest levels of the hierarchy, and yet many in the SSPX don't seem to think they can do better?

Any thoughts?
(07-16-2012, 01:26 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: [ -> ]How is it that the Communists and Freemasons managed to influence the Church so successfully from within, even starting from the lowest levels of the hierarchy, and yet many in the SSPX don't seem to think they can do better?

Any thoughts?

Deception is lacking in the SSPX.
(07-16-2012, 01:26 PM)per_passionem_eius Wrote: [ -> ]How is it that the Communists and Freemasons managed to influence the Church so successfully from within, even starting from the lowest levels of the hierarchy, and yet many in the SSPX don't seem to think they can do better?

Any thoughts?

Communists and Freemason use dishonesty and deception to infiltrate organizations. I expect the SSPX to be more honest and honourable in their manner of influence.

edited to add:  I wrote this before I saw Rosarium's response. 
I guess the SSPX is actually influencing from within.  I was momentarily confused about their weird status. 
Well, the communists have been at this for a long time. We have Bella Dodd a commie here in the US, a returned Catholic with the help of Bishop Fulton Sheen, who said she knew by the early fifties the commies had placed 1000 or so men in seminaries. That takes time and it wasn't done in a single decade more from 1915 or so. Masons are different that is defection to the enemy, and we know Fr. Luigi Villa counted 130 approx. and Roberto Calvi's papers exposed another 120 approx. We also know through the Polish freedom of information act that many many of the Polish priests were communist agents.

I'm sure the Vatican and this Pope particularly know many more that are planted. If this is the USA , and those exposed in the Vatican from Fr. Villa and Roberto Calvi, how many from elsewhere ? We have liberation theology throughout South America and Central America, that must mean they have their communists. What of socialist Europe ? It appears many of those priests are socialists and that makes them fellow travellers.

If the SSPX had hatched a clandestine plan to re take Rome, it would be in it early stages, and with the number of seminarians they produce, it'd be  a process that would take a millenium to get to the point of a similar council with a traditional agenda like Vatican II. So they aren't the answer. They are part of the faithful response to cataclysm which has the Church in it's grip. I'm not an SSPX'er but they do not appear to have a secret agenda and a clandestine plan such as this. They let it all hang out, and are out in the open and above board apparently.

This corruption from within is moving to it's next phase. If we consider the Liberals, Socialists, Communists, and Progressives, as the first troops under the direction of the Masons, then the second set is starting, the neo-con Americanist heretics. The "life issues" are frozen in place and the neo-con politicos use them as a way to keep us at bay. Catholic votes for neo-cons assure they'll pay lip service to them, while using our assent to wage war against anyone the Zionists want.

Obama is proposing another hegelian solution where the Church in it's parishes can keep to it's teachings, but proposes that we must agree to disagree to the other institutions. This is a neo-con solution. The Dynastic families don't care what you believe and they offer us two parties, but when it comes to the final solution we must be on board and reduce the number of humans, it's what they want.

It seems to me many keep looking to get all the old pieces of the jigsaw in place while oblivious to the new hegelian phase which is in full swing. We just saw it come to the surface and become a scandal in the Vatican, it's the old lefties against the neo-con newbies and it involved the leaks in HH Pope Benedict XVI papers. The neo-cons in their myriad organs of communications have been trying to use the term traditional to describe themselves, and that ain't true.

tim 
Well said Tim. I would add that the Rhinlander control is rising to the top along with the Americans. A rather strange set of bedfellows. But it follows the pereti of Vatican II fame.
(07-16-2012, 03:19 PM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Obama is proposing another hegelian solution where the Church in it's parishes can keep to it's teachings, but proposes that we must agree to disagree to the other institutions. This is a neo-con solution. The Dynastic families don't care what you believe and they offer us two parties, but when it comes to the final solution we must be on board and reduce the number of humans, it's what they want.

It seems to me many keep looking to get all the old pieces of the jigsaw in place while oblivious to the new hegelian phase which is in full swing. We just saw it come to the surface and become a scandal in the Vatican, it's the old lefties against the neo-con newbies and it involved the leaks in HH Pope Benedict XVI papers. The neo-cons in their myriad organs of communications have been trying to use the term traditional to describe themselves, and that ain't true.

tim

Tim, this is interesting. Who are the Dynastic families? What do you see as being their 'final solution' and why does it involve fewer human beings? (Excuse my ignorance.)
The SSPX was not founded to save the Church.

The SSPX was founded to form priests who would respond to the calls of the abandoned faithful who desired the goods of the Church which were being denied them by their lawful pastors.

The whole question is therefore framed wrongly, when it is put as it is above.  The Modernists see the SSPX as a thorn in their side and wish it would disappear.  The liberals in the SSPX see their role is to get on a white horse and ride to the rescue of "rome".  The modest, humble, prudent men who follow Archbishop Lefebvre believe that their role is merely to continue forming priests and sending them to the faithful who desire the true goods of the Church, and God will sort out the mess in His good time.
Dynastic families are my term, Fr. Malachi Martin called them P-one, which seems to be a term that he uses to say they control P-due, which is the Italian Freemasons, and guys like Silvio Berluscone.  They are a natural event, they are the very richest families, but they don't want many more joining their level. There was a book recently written by some neo-conservative which I did not read but he researched them and concluded that there are about 6000 of them.

These are the names you don't hear of too much but control everything, families like Rothschilds or Warburgs or Rockefeller. Some try to figure the relationships between these folks but that is un-necessary, all you need to know is they exist. Fr. Martin said they are divided in policy but not in their final outcome. They all believe the world, their world, must be reduced to 500 million people. Some like to use sterilization, the pill, and abortion, while the other uses wars, both want to reduce the number of humans. Rockefeller has said this publicly, and all of the enviro-maniacs have it as part of their mission statement.

They work through cut-outs so they are above the fray. Their philanthropies are there as propaganda departments They find people that believe similarly and fund them to research or make or bring about change which fit their plan. These Dynasts are the guys that own the Federal Resrve, Wall Street, LaSalle Street, and the City. Those guys are their finance guys, and they put pressure on Big Biz to keep them going in the right direction. The politicians are their useful idiots. These guys get the least dough but like lapdogs do anything they ask. 

that's a thumnail sketch

tim 
(07-16-2012, 10:10 PM)John Lane Wrote: [ -> ]The SSPX was not founded to save the Church.

The SSPX was founded to form priests who would respond to the calls of the abandoned faithful who desired the goods of the Church which were being denied them by their lawful pastors.

The whole question is therefore framed wrongly, when it is put as it is above.  The Modernists see the SSPX as a thorn in their side and wish it would disappear.  The liberals in the SSPX see their role is to get on a white horse and ride to the rescue of "rome".  The modest, humble, prudent men who follow Archbishop Lefebvre believe that their role is merely to continue forming priests and sending them to the faithful who desire the true goods of the Church, and God will sort out the mess in His good time.

Yes, I see I was just confused for a moment about their irregular status, that's all.  The SSPX priests I've known have all seemed heroic enough to give me the impression that they could ride white horses and rescue Rome.
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