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(07-25-2012, 06:28 PM)CollegeCatholic Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2012, 04:07 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]+Williamson made a huge mistake about the Holocaust and drew animosity against the Society.

Animosity against the Society has always existed, both in the world and in the Church (and Curia!).

But the irresponsible comments about the holocaust (what was the point?) exacerbated and inflamed it.  "Get rid of Bishop Fellay" -- coming from a brother bishop boggles the mind.
Isn't Williamson kind of backed into a corner now? I guess some might say he backed himself into that corner. But what else can he do now except start his own group?

C.
(07-25-2012, 10:37 PM)James02 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote: I see no group or a single person who will be responsible for bringing the Church back to Tradition except the SSPX.
That is not their responsibility.  It resides with a single person.  The Pope.  It was +Williamson who said as much in probably the best letter he ever wrote.  The Pope has to consecrate Russia.  The mission of the SSPX is to preserve Tradition and administer the sacraments to the faithful.  That is all.

The Pope is the Lord's Prime Minister.  Pray to Him to fix the Church and He'll probably say, "why are you telling Me?  Didn't I leave My Prime Minister on earth to run things?  Take it to him."

There is one way to fix it.  That is to honor Mary with the Consecration.  There is no other way.

Yes, the Pope.  He holds Peace in the world in his hands.  Isn't he aware of this?  However, Our Lady said, "In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world."   Mary told the children of Fatima about the Consecration on her third apparition and on June 1929 said that the time has finally come when God will ask the pope and all the bishops of the world to make the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart.  Who was the pope in 1929?  He did not obey or minded the request.  From that time on until today no pope has made the Consecration.  Some day ("In the end") it will be done, when will that "some day" be?  Meantime because of the disobedience of the popes we are being chastised. 

How long have we the laity taken it up to the pope to do the Consecration?   It seems to the pope's mind that peace can be achieved by having an Assisi prayer meeting with heretics, pagans, et al.  And we wonder why we are being punished.

The Consecration does not reside on one man -- the pope.  It must be done by ALL the bishops in union with him.  The only pope who did do the Consecration was Pope Pius XII but it wasn't done in union with all the bishops of the world, so it didn't count.

A warning about the consecration of Russia from Our Lord:

     
Quote:Make it known to My ministers given that they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, like him they will follow him into misfortune.

      This was a reference to Louis XVI, who failed to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus, and was later overthrown in the French Revolution and beheaded in 1793.

(07-26-2012, 10:10 AM)Vincentius Wrote: [ -> ]But the irresponsible comments about the holocaust (what was the point?) exacerbated and inflamed it.  "Get rid of Bishop Fellay" -- coming from a brother bishop boggles the mind.

Intellectual hypocrisy and dishonesty on the part of the media does not make the bishop irresponsible.  In 1988 a private conversation was eavesdropped on and it was eventually published by people against the bishop.  He has been unjustly called "anti-semitic" ever since.  And he has rarely if ever, brought up the topic.

Some stooge from Swedish media went in and asked him about it.  The expectation was that he would avoid it, deny it, or give a mea culpa. (they all pretend they are 60 minutes from the 1970s)  That certainly would not have been the end and he would have been hounded relentlessly and probably indicted all the same.  Instead, he's told the truth.  The world is now much more aware of the agenda and the thought police curbing "free speech" in many countries, he has prevailed against his persecutors in Germany legally.  He has wisely sounded the alarm about the dupllicity of Rome and probably held back the total collapse of the SSPX giving people a period of time to make preparations. 

More good than inconvenience has come as a result of Williamson not playing along with the politically correct hypocrites. 
I have never understood this reluctance and prevarication around (re)consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart; just do it already!

Yes, I appreciate all the arguments that Russia was already consecrated (I have read +Bertone’s book, Sr. Lucy concurred, etc.), but there remains two clear, irrefutable facts:

1. There is a significant (dare I say, “stable”?) population of faithful who believe (sincerely and honestly) that Russia has not yet been explicitly (or properly, or fully, or whatever) consecrated in obedience to Our Lady’s simple and explicit command; and
2. As in cases where priests ad-lib or mess around with the form of sacraments (e.g. words of absolution), the faithful have a right not to be left in doubt about the validity of something important.  The doubt itself becomes the salient issue.

In other words, the mere fact that a doubt exists should – in and of itself – dictate the prudence of performing a consecration that is simple and absolutely irrefutable and undeniably what Our Lady commanded.  The (il)legitimacy of any prior consecration no longer becomes a factor in the discussion.

Yes, I agree that for many this would be an exercise in redundancy; a mere sop to "those nutty trads" – but, so what?  As far as I can discern, the only reason the current authorities have not performed such a clear, unambiguous (re)consecration is their own pride; they don’t wish to be seen to acknowledge the possibility that the original consecration was invalid or insufficient.  But, is this a good reason?  Pride?  I don’t think so. 

Humble yourself for the spiritual benefit of those who worry about this, even if you regard them as overly scrupulous or agenda-driven.  There is simply no downside, none whatsoever:

Worse-case scenario: the new consecration has no effect on anything, other than to quiet those clamouring for it.
Best-case scenario: Incalculable, super-natural benefits for all mankind and the salvation of millions of souls.

(Re)consecrating Russia is an absolute no-brainer.  There is nothing to lose, everything to gain.

Our Lady of Peace, pray for us. 

Probably because the majority of the bishops don't believe anyway.
(07-26-2012, 11:19 AM)Allan Wrote: [ -> ]I have never understood this reluctance and prevarication around (re)consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart; just do it already!

Possiby because of ecumenism, fear of offending the Orthodox

Lack of belief in the supernatural and the miraculous (Fatima is a peasant legend) 

The enemies of the Church put the screws to their collaborators within the Church because they fear that the consecration will be their undoing. 

(07-25-2012, 10:37 PM)James02 Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote: I see no group or a single person who will be responsible for bringing the Church back to Tradition except the SSPX.
That is not their responsibility.  It resides with a single person.  The Pope.  It was +Williamson who said as much in probably the best letter he ever wrote.  The Pope has to consecrate Russia.  The mission of the SSPX is to preserve Tradition and administer the sacraments to the faithful.  That is all.

The Pope is the Lord's Prime Minister.  Pray to Him to fix the Church and He'll probably say, "why are you telling Me?  Didn't I leave My Prime Minister on earth to run things?  Take it to him."

There is one way to fix it.  That is to honor Mary with the Consecration.  There is no other way.
This!
With respect to Fatima, how many people here are doing the Five First Saturdays devotion?  How many are praying a daily Rosary, and offering sacrifices, as we were asked to do?  Don't forget that it wasn't just the Pope and the bishops who weren't obeying Our Lady ... it's all of us, as well.

All I keep reading is "The Pope needs to" "The Pope needs to"  well, WE need to, too!
(07-26-2012, 01:54 PM)HolySouls Wrote: [ -> ]With respect to Fatima, how many people here are doing the Five First Saturdays devotion?  How many are praying a daily Rosary, and offering sacrifices, as we were asked to do?  Don't forget that it wasn't just the Pope and the bishops who weren't obeying Our Lady ... it's all of us, as well.

All I keep reading is "The Pope needs to" "The Pope needs to"  well, WE need to, too!
Well said.
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