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Quote:Cardinal absolutely insists SSPX must fully accept Council.

 
Cologne's Cardinal Joachim Meisner insists that the SSPX must fully recognise the Magisterium of the Pope and the Second Vatican Council. This includes the decrees on religious freedom, the relationship with the Jews and the current form of the liturgy, according to a post published on Friday on the Internet platform "direktzu.kardinal-meisner.de" (Cathcon- cannot find the original- suspect Domradio have jumped the gun). A return of the SSPX to the communion of the Catholic Church also presupposes that it was withdrawing its accusations against the pope that he was not orthodox. "Whoever wholly or partly rejects doctrinal statements, cannot be in full communion with the Church ," said Meisner. He points out that the Pope has repeatedly expressed his appreciation for the Jewish faith and the importance of dialogue between Christians and Jews. Pope Benedict XVI during World Youth Day 2005 in Cologne, visited the local synagogue and quoted his predecessor John Paul II: "whoever meets Jesus Christ meets Judaism."

Cathcon- one doctrinal standard for the vast majority of Catholics and another especially strict one for the SSPX. The comments about total acceptance are in direct contradiction to Archbishop Müller (perhaps Cardinal Woelki- will double check on this point).
www.http://cathcon.blogspot.com/

Great. This garbage is absolutely ridiculous. I know this is old news to most of you, and has been going on for quite some time now, but I am still pretty new to this.

Does Card. Meisner have to assent to earlier statements of Popes condemning the Talmudic religion? Does he have to sign off on extra ecclesiam nulla salus? What about Mortalium Annos?

Ahh, so Card. Meisner betrays himself, for he is suggesting that he is not in full communion with the Church either. Good - convert, or do not let the door hit you on the way out, Your Eminence!
With respect to His Eminence, why should he be talking about this?  It seems like it's not really his business.
The cardinal seems confused, I don't blame him, that is the main prob with the VII documents. I am glad this is coming out to the forefront this is how things get resolved in the Church by cardinals contradicting cardinals and bishops contradicting bishops.
This sems to be apropos once again:

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Disregard His Eminences rantings.

Its not what the Pope believes.
(08-24-2012, 12:02 PM)JuniorCouncilor Wrote: [ -> ]With respect to His Eminence, why should he be talking about this?  It seems like it's not really his business.

That was just my reaction.  This is basically an individual expressing his opinion and the fact that he is a Cardinal is not especially relevant other than its ability to cause scandal.
One would have to say that Benedict XVI accepts VII as an authorative council and therefore Catholics must give their assent.  The German Cardinal is only carrying on what Paul VI, JPII and Benedict have said.  It is on the books.  Their New Catechism quotes from it.  A New Canon Law came about because of it.   Encyclicals and the like quote from it.  The Vatican says it has value.  There is probably a SSPX chapel in this cardinals territory.   The FSSP and like groups have to accept VII, New Mass,etc.  Why should the Society be different?  

Joe
(08-24-2012, 12:36 PM)joe17 Wrote: [ -> ]One would have to say that Benedict XVI accepts VII as an authorative council and therefore Catholics must give their assent.  The German Cardinal is only carrying on what Paul VI, JPII and Benedict have said.  It is on the books.  Their New Catechism quotes from it.  A New Canon Law came about because of it.   Encyclicals and the like quote from it.  The Vatican says it has value.  There is probably a SSPX chapel in this cardinals territory.   The FSSP and like groups have to accept VII, New Mass,etc.  Why should the Society be different?  

Joe
But what this Cardinal thinks about the Council documents and what Pope Benedict XVI knows about them are two different things. The Cardinals views are like what a dog knows about astrophysics.
The Jews, the Jews, the Jews.

Everywhere you turn your head, some Catholic prelate is talking about the Jews.

Eye-roll
Archbishop DiNoia's comments are more significant:
Quote:Archbishop Di Noia [new Vice-President of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei] told Catholic News Service June 26 the Vatican needed to help people who have strong objections to the council see "that these disagreements don't have to be dividing or keep us from the same Communion table."

"It is possible to have theological disagreements while remaining in communion with the see of Peter," he said.

"Part of what we're saying is that when you read the documents (of Vatican II), you can't read them from the point of view of some liberal bishops who may have been participants (at the council), you have to read them at face value," Archbishop Di Noia told CNS. "Given that the Holy Spirit is guiding the church, the documents cannot be in discontinuity with tradition."
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