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He died this past Friday.  Sounds like he was quite a "prince" of the Church.  I suppose I'll just let his words speak for themselves.



Cardinal Carlo Martini says Church '200 years behind'

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Cardinal Martini's body is lying in state in Milan Cathedral


Italian Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini has described the Roman Catholic Church as being "200 years behind" the times.

The cardinal died on Friday, aged 85.

Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera has published his last interview, recorded in August, in which he said: "The Church is tired... our prayer rooms are empty."

Martini, once tipped as a future pope, urged the Church to recognise its errors and to embark on a radical path of change, beginning with the Pope.

Thousands of people have been filing past his coffin at Milan's cathedral, where he was archbishop for more than 20 years.

The cardinal, who had retired from the post in 2002, suffering from Parkinson's Disease, is to be buried on Monday.

'Old culture'

Martini, a popular figure with liberal stances on many issues, commanded great respect from both Pope John Paul II and his successor Pope Benedict XVI.

The cardinal - a member of the Jesuit religious order - was often critical in his writings and comments on Church teaching, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.

He was a courageous and outspoken figure during the years he headed Europe's largest Catholic diocese, our correspondent says.

Cardinal Martini gave his last interview to a fellow Jesuit priest, Georg Sporschill, and to a journalist at the beginning of August when he knew his death was approaching.


The cardinal had returned to Italy from Jerusalem, where he had settled on retirement in 2002 to continue his biblical studies.

Catholics lacked confidence in the Church, he said in the interview. "Our culture has grown old, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up, our religious rites and the vestments we wear are pompous."

Unless the Church adopted a more generous attitude towards divorced persons, it will lose the allegiance of future generations, the cardinal added. The question, he said, is not whether divorced couples can receive holy communion, but how the Church can help complex family situations.

And the advice he leaves behind to conquer the tiredness of the Church was a "radical transformation, beginning with the Pope and his bishops".

"The child sex scandals oblige us to undertake a journey of transformation," Cardinal Martini says, referring to the child sex abuse that has rocked the Catholic Church in the past few years.

He was not afraid, our correspondent adds, to speak his mind on matters that the Vatican sometimes considered taboo, including the use of condoms to fight Aids and the role of women in the Church.

In 2008, for example, he criticised the Church's prohibition of birth control, saying the stance had likely driven many faithful away, and publicly stated in 2006 that condoms could "in some situations, be a lesser evil".

Corriere Della Sera plans to give a copy of his last book entitled Speak From The Heart to all its readers.
(09-01-2012, 08:30 PM)Pheo Wrote: [ -> ]Corriere Della Sera plans to give a copy of his last book entitled Speak From The Heart to all its readers.

Well, if his stances are indicative of what his writing is like, his book will be a welcome addition for all those hoping to stock up fuel for those cold winter months.
We should rejoice that he now knows the truth, no?  Si.
I will pray for his soul, but I will not be reading his books anytime soon. It's shocking to me that a cardinal is allowed to talk like that without any repercussion. His words may have led many faithful people astray.
He was still unrepentant of his views on his death bed and even after seeing what damage progressivism has done to the Church the last 50 years. It was GOD , not the Popes who condemned birth control and divorce, He was known as a Biblical scholar, what damage have "biblical scholars " and "theologians done to the Church the last 100 years. They all have been so caught up in secularism its sickening.
See, it's bullshit like this, where these clearly heterodox bishops were appointed under our great and beloved John Paul the Best, all the while the SSPX was being illegitimately suppressed and harassed by diocesan bishops.

What a joke.
When I read the title of this thread my first thought was "he's still alive?" For some reason I thought he'd passed away quite some time ago...

Anyway, may be rest in peace, and may God have mercy on his soul.
(09-01-2012, 08:30 PM)Pheo Wrote: [ -> ]In 2008, for example, he criticised the Church's prohibition of birth control, saying the stance had likely driven many faithful away, and publicly stated in 2006 that condoms could "in some situations, be a lesser evil".

This shows a very defective mindset.

Many people left Christ because of what Christ taught directly. A crowd heard what Jesus says, many of them leave Christ. Christ did not change what he said to appeal to the masses.

People who find what is good to be scandalous are committing a sin. It is a passive scandal, and it is what the Church is supposed to be.
This is what Fr. Z calls the biological solution.  Heterodox bishops and cardinal die off and are replaced by orthodox ones.  More and more people recognize that not the Church but Cardinal Martini's ideas were out of date.  They belonged to an era of theological and liturgical experimentation that is reaching its end.  We can now see those experiments have failed.

Prayers for his soul.  Pray
Sure, that sounds nice in theory, but it isn't reality. Another heretic/heterodox prelate will take his place, personally appointed by the Holy Father. The crisis will continue.
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