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...does anyone know when it will be publically released?
It has been said that it will only be released if the FSSPX signs a full accord with Rome.
Good piece by Fr Zuhlsdorf relating to this matter:


"Do the SSPX think that Pope Benedict is so patient and kindly that he would never withdraw his outstretched hand?

Perhaps that is it.  Maybe that is why they dawdle and find excuses not to accept what the Holy See has offered and have a canonical structure of their own.

It would be a mistake to think Benedict’s patience is endless.

My old mentor, the late Msgr. Schuler, was calm guy, unruffled by most things. Even in the face of drastic challenges, he was cool. I only saw him angry twice. His face changed. It was scary.  Happily, he wasn’t angry at me!

My old mentor, the late Card. Mayer, was a calm guy. He was a monk, and old. He was battle-hardened. He had seen it all. He was the holiest man I have ever known.  I only saw him angry once. He didn’t raise his voice. It left a deep impression on me, to be sure.  Happily, he wasn’t angry at me!

I used to talk with Card. Ratzinger pretty frequently, years back. I’d pick his brains. I’d talk to him about horrible things written about him. I would challenge and disagree and demure. I never saw him angry.  I haven’t really heard of him showing strong anger either.  I know people who know Papa Ratzinger better than I.  Everyone who knows him affirms that His Holiness is kind, and calm, and patient and sweet-tempered guy. He has the level-head and level-spirit that allows the workings of the theological virtues and the fruits of the Holy Ghost.

I can imagine, however, that if he got to the point where he was actually angry at someone or about something, there could be instant and sharp consequences.

The fact is, even level-headed and holy men get angry.

Let us turn our thoughts now to the followers of Lefebvre.

The Holy Father has offered the SSPX, through the CDF, point after point and chance after chance.  He has offered them pretty much everything they need.

Some will say, “But Father! But Father! The Second Vatican Council….”

NO!  He has.  He really has.  There are ways to work through the problematic issues raised by Vatican II within the Church and those avenues would be open to the SSPX.

I think that what the SSPX has done in regard to the “Doctrinal Preamble” and the Pope’s overtures could be quite … vexing.  Their maneuvers might vex a saint.

The Holy Father is about the last man on earth who would need anger management.  I fear, nevertheless, that the SSPX will manage to make him angry.

I read statements from the SSPX leadership and watch the temporizing and listen to their musings about “Eternal Rome”, as if they were the lone true ones, being truer to a thruthier Church than Pope Benedict could ever fathom, and I can well imagine Pope Benedict getting more and more annoyed.

And we know how Benedict works.  He thinks through a problem patiently and then – BAM! – he moves.  That’s what happened with two of the big things in his pontificate: Summorum Pontificum and the Anglican Ordinariates.  There was lots of opposition, but he wanted them.  He consulted, bided his time and – BAM! - they happened.  In the first year of his pontificate he simply slashed several days off the schedule of the meeting of that sacred cow of collegiality, the Synod of Bishops.  He just did it.  In one year’s time Benedict has moved 4 bishops from their sees.

I resonate with a great deal of what the SSPX stands for and wants.  I believe the priests of the Society to be zealous for the salvation of souls. They have so much to contribute!  But as much as I have sympathy for most of their concerns, sometimes they remind me of a bunch of brooding Batman villains.  I long to say to them, “If you vex Benedict enough - BAM!  You guys are going to learn what it means to on the business end of schism.”

I hope they don’t slap Benedict’s outstretched hand away.  The other hand won’t be so nice.

Please, Society, please.  Don’t blow this.

In ancient times Opportunity was personified as a beautiful woman with very long hair in front but with a bald head in back.  The idea was that we must catch hold of Opportunity when she approaches, because when she has passed there is nothing to hold her by.

Seize your opportunity with both hands, men.

Submit to the Vicar of Christ.

Benedict XVI is the Pope of Christian Unity."
This is a crass hit-job.

How about make everyone in "full communion" sign the Oath Against Modernism? How about deal with the library worth of appeals to Ecclesia Dei on the backburner while the 1962 Missal is tampered with?
(09-18-2012, 11:57 AM)MRose Wrote: [ -> ]This is a crass hit-job.

How about make everyone in "full communion" sign the Oath Against Modernism? How about deal with the library worth of appeals to Ecclesia Dei on the backburner while the 1962 Missal is tampered with?
It sure does not seem fair to me. [the double standard bit]
But its not a matter for me to decide.
I wonder if Fr. Z thinks God is so patient and kind with the Pope that he won't withdraw His hand in order to wind up and smite this duplicitous Pope?  

Fr. Z does more spinning than the Tazmanian Devil.  

Hey Fr. Z!  Tell the Pope to fix the Church and forget about the SSPX-They're fine.  If you spend so much time trying to get the SSPX without fixing the errors in the Church but rather promote them with appointments like Muller and Dinoia,  oh and not a peep about the homosexual infiltration of the Church clergy....well that strategy is not going to work.  


It's like the Pope is swimming in a pool of polluted water and keeps inviting the SSPX to take a dip.  The SSPX says, "Clean the pool water and we'll get in.  in fact, stop swimming for a while and start to genuinely clean the pool water and we'll help you out,  Williamson has the skimmer, Fellay has the vacuum, De Gallereta has the shock treatment ready."  And meanwhile the Pope is doing the backstroke through the opaque waters saying, "It's not that bad.  We'll clean it up once you get in.  You don't have to like the green goo...you just have to accept the green goo as  normal pool water and I'll let you swim with goggles and a snorkle on since you don't like the goo."  

If the Pope would focus on the sick and diseased parts of the Church, he would find the SSPX running to help him and submit to his clear and unambiguous condemnation of the errors lacerating the Mystical Body of Christ.  Bishop Fellay would be out of breath trying to keep up with Bishops Williamson and Tissier de Malerais as they run to the doors of St. Peter's.
(09-18-2012, 12:09 PM)Gerard Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if Fr. Z thinks God is so patient and kind with the Pope that he won't withdraw His hand in order to wind up and smite this duplicitous Pope?  

Fr. Z does more spinning than the Tazmanian Devil.  

Hey Fr. Z!  Tell the Pope to fix the Church and forget about the SSPX-They're fine.  If you spend so much time trying to get the SSPX without fixing the errors in the Church but rather promote them with appointments like Muller and Dinoia,  oh and not a peep about the homosexual infiltration of the Church clergy....well that strategy is not going to work.  


It's like the Pope is swimming in a pool of polluted water and keeps inviting the SSPX to take a dip.  The SSPX says, "Clean the pool water and we'll get in.  in fact, stop swimming for a while and start to genuinely clean the pool water and we'll help you out,  Williamson has the skimmer, Fellay has the vacuum, De Gallereta has the shock treatment ready."  And meanwhile the Pope is doing the backstroke through the opaque waters saying, "It's not that bad.  We'll clean it up once you get in.  You don't have to like the green goo...you just have to accept the green goo as  normal pool water and I'll let you swim with goggles and a snorkle on since you don't like the goo."  

If the Pope would focus on the sick and diseased parts of the Church, he would find the SSPX running to help him and submit to his clear and unambiguous condemnation of the errors lacerating the Mystical Body of Christ.  Bishop Fellay would be out of breath trying to keep up with Bishops Williamson and Tissier de Malerais as they run to the doors of St. Peter's.
I believe the Holy Father wants a canonically regularised Society to help lead the attack on worldwide heterodoxy.
Since Fr Zuhlsdorf seems to make a living from his blog I don't think he is in any way an impartial judge of this matter.
(09-18-2012, 12:22 PM)Scotus Wrote: [ -> ]Since Fr Zuhlsdorf seems to make a living from his blog I don't think he is in any way an impartial judge of this matter.
What he says makes sense.
(09-18-2012, 11:57 AM)MRose Wrote: [ -> ]How about make everyone in "full communion" sign the Oath Against Modernism? How about deal with the library worth of appeals to Ecclesia Dei on the backburner while the 1962 Missal is tampered with?

Stop deflecting.  This isn't about what other people are getting up to.  It isn't about what Fr Bob is doing down in such-a-such a parish.  The sheer pleasure SSPXers derive from reveling in the sins and failings of others comes across as nothing short of deviant sexual pleasure.  The recent thread showing pictures of various Masses such as "clown masses", etc., only give off a whiff that such people that participate in them don't really care about the horrendous offensive such things cause God.  No.  It gives off a whiff of "See!  See!  Look at that!  I'M RIGHT!".  SSPXers surely choose the most perverse things to get off on.

The point remains that this is about the Society operating outside of the ecclesicastical structures of the church.  It's about 4 bishops and hundreds of priests actively practising a ministry they have no authority to practise because they have turned their backs on the Church.  And they have the sheer gall to sit down and "deal" with Rome.  You do not barter with the See of St Peter like a common fish monger at market.  The generosity and indeed patience of the Holy Father astounds me.  As far as I am concerned the Society should simply be eradicated and their bsihops and priests not re-admitted to full canonical faculties until such a time as they crawl to St Peter's on their hands and knees and beg forgiveness for daring to insult the See of Rome and God's Church.
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