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     “Dear sons and daughters,

    I feel your voices! Mine is just one lone voice, but it sums up the voice of the whole world.

    And here, in fact, all the world is represented here tonight. It could even be said that even the moon hastens close tonight, that from above, it might watch this spectacle that not even St Peter's Basilica, over its four centuries of history, has ever been able to witness.

    We ask for a great day of peace. Yes, of peace! 'Glory to God, and peace to men of goodwill.'' If I asked you, if I could ask of each one of you: where are you from? The children of Rome, especially represented here, would respond: ah, we are the closest of children, and you're our bishop. Well, then, sons and daughters of Rome, always remember that you represent 'Roma, caput mundi' ['Rome, the capital of the world'] which through the design of Providence it has been called to be across the centuries.

    My own person counts for nothing -- it's a brother who speaks to you, become a father by the will of our Lord, but all together, fatherhood and brotherhood and God's grace, give honor to the impressions of this night, which are always our feelings, which now we express before heaven and earth: faith, hope, love, love of God, love of brother, all aided along the way in the Lord's holy peace for the work of the good. And so, let us continue to love each other, to look out for each other along the way: to welcome whoever comes close to us, and set aside whatever difficulty it might bring.

    When you head home, find your children. Hug and kiss your children and tell them: 'This is the hug and kiss of the Pope.' And when you find them with tears to dry, give them a good word. Give anyone who suffers a word of comfort. Tell them 'The Pope is with us especially in our times of sadness and bitterness.' And then, all together, may we always come alive -- whether to sing, to breathe, or to cry, but always full of trust in Christ, who helps us and hears us, let us continue along our path.”

--Pope John XXIII
"Moonlight Speech"
Window of the Apostolic Palace
11 October 1962
Opening day of the Council

Source: http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/...ay_11.html
Fr. Malachi Martin discusses Pope John very fairly in this interview, the first two minutes are about Pius XII



In regard to Malachi Martin it's interesting that he comments on the liberalism of Pope John XXIII yet was himself close friends with Cardinal Bea who was one of the biggest liberals at V2 and has been the darling of liberals ever since. 
(09-30-2012, 06:11 AM)TerraMariana Wrote: [ -> ]In regard to Malachi Martin it's interesting that he comments on the liberalism of Pope John XXIII yet was himself close friends with Cardinal Bea who was one of the biggest liberals at V2 and has been the darling of liberals ever since. 

Cardinal Bea was his boss.
Back to the vid, one can see why people loved him. What you can't get from the vid is the world was relieved, people believed our leaders were disgusted with world war. Europe was rebuilding at break neck speed and European Movie Stars were seen all the time at the "movies". Guys like my father would remark how it was ten years before when it was war, and how great it looks now. The great influx of displaced people here in the US and Canada made it seem like a bright new day. Everyone had their eyes on getting them newly invented washing machines and dryers, and credit cards were way in the future except for the elites like Surgeons or millionaires. What we didn't realize was we were being herded into a pre-engineered world we'd have no control over.

tim
There was the Berlin Wall, the Bay of Pigs, and Vietnam was brewing. The specter of war still was there.
Absolutely right Scriptorium ! 

The Missle Crisis was like nothing I have ever seen before or since. My pa was ready to mobilize us all. Behind his back me and my brother called him sarge. The fear was palpable, and that was really the start of the Cold War for us sheeple.  The sisters which taught me up until this point were more worried about a resurgence of the Nazis. After that crisis came those silly air raid drills, where we scrunched down in our seats, put our heads between our knees, and put our hands over our heads in the belief that'd save from an H-bomb. Us smart guys said that position was so we could kiss our ass good bye.

It was a wakeup call and the merry post war exuberance was over.  The Bay of Pigs was not that well known in the time it occured, and the Nam was still mostly CIA spooks and rangers. As you all know that changed with LBJ's Bankster in the White House McNamara. McNamara demanded the war keep going after LBJ knew from intelligence he could never win, and my contemporaries paid the price and the left leaning in my generation split the country, changing all of us to never trust the government again.

I wonder, knowing that the Vatican in those days was the very best spy organization in the world, how much they knew was coming. If the documents of Vatican II are read by that light, it gives a different over all picture.  The time was past where a Pope could call the envoy from Spain and France in on the carpet to solve without war a question. WWI and WWII had defanged the Vatican and the apparent plan was to slowly push them into obscurity, never to be listened to again.

Ps to all, when I riff like this, I'm just giving the memory of a little snapshot I have in my head, I'm not attempting to be even handed or completely historical.

tim
(09-30-2012, 07:05 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Back to the vid, one can see why people loved him. What you can't get from the vid is the world was relieved, people believed our leaders were disgusted with world war. Europe was rebuilding at break neck speed and European Movie Stars were seen all the time at the "movies". Guys like my father would remark how it was ten years before when it was war, and how great it looks now. The great influx of displaced people here in the US and Canada made it seem like a bright new day. Everyone had their eyes on getting them newly invented washing machines and dryers, and credit cards were way in the future except for the elites like Surgeons or millionaires. What we didn't realize was we were being herded into a pre-engineered world we'd have no control over.

tim
Well said Tim, and the bright lights of the future blinded many as to the cost that would arise from allowing the government  too much control over daily life. The genie is out of the bottle and no one seems to know where the stopper is.
The Church and Her Bishops were blinded as well. One of Satan's most effective lies to date.
(09-30-2012, 10:56 AM)Tim Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely right Scriptorium ! 

The Missle Crisis was like nothing I have ever seen before or since. My pa was ready to mobilize us all. Behind his back me and my brother called him sarge. The fear was palpable, and that was really the start of the Cold War for us sheeple.  The sisters which taught me up until this point were more worried about a resurgence of the Nazis. After that crisis came those silly air raid drills, where we scrunched down in our seats, put our heads between our knees, and put our hands over our heads in the belief that'd save from an H-bomb. Us smart guys said that position was so we could kiss our ass good bye.

It was a wakeup call and the merry post war exuberance was over.  The Bay of Pigs was not that well known in the time it occured, and the Nam was still mostly CIA spooks and rangers. As you all know that changed with LBJ's Bankster in the White House McNamara. McNamara demanded the war keep going after LBJ knew from intelligence he could never win, and my contemporaries paid the price and the left leaning in my generation split the country, changing all of us to never trust the government again.

I wonder, knowing that the Vatican in those days was the very best spy organization in the world, how much they knew was coming. If the documents of Vatican II are read by that light, it gives a different over all picture.  The time was past where a Pope could call the envoy from Spain and France in on the carpet to solve without war a question. WWI and WWII had defanged the Vatican and the apparent plan was to slowly push them into obscurity, never to be listened to again.

Ps to all, when I riff like this, I'm just giving the memory of a little snapshot I have in my head, I'm not attempting to be even handed or completely historical.

tim

First thing I thought of is the third secret of Fatima. 
(09-30-2012, 06:11 AM)TerraMariana Wrote: [ -> ]In regard to Malachi Martin it's interesting that he comments on the liberalism of Pope John XXIII yet was himself close friends with Cardinal Bea who was one of the biggest liberals at V2 and has been the darling of liberals ever since. 

Cardinal Bea was a liberal but he was an orthodox liberal, not a modernist.  Read "On the Unity of Christians" a collected series of interviews he gave leading up to and during the Council.  He sounds as clear as Bishop Williamson.  Trads would be jumping for joy if the Pope would simply use the same words as Cardinal Bea.  

I can find the quote later, but it was when asked what "unity" meant he said, "Everyone believing the same thing, getting the same sacraments under the authority of the Successor of St. Peter."
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