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(10-18-2012, 08:06 PM)Scriptorium Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012, 07:30 PM)OCLittleFlower Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012, 07:12 PM)Scriptorium Wrote: [ -> ]Look at your words. He did "nothing". That perspective smacks of something too. Make sure the pendulum doesn't swing too far too fast, or it will come off.

Okay, what did he do then?  What did he do to fix the rampant modernism and abuses in the Church that he allowed to occur by not being heavy handed enough?

His personal example, his writings on reverence for the Eucharist, on our Lady, on Life, Ad Tuendam Fidem, the Professio Fidei for theologians and the CDF commentary, the regulations put in place to combat the abuse crisis, the new requirements for accurate translations, and others. Read about it. I am not stating he is beyond critique, but he didn't do "nothing". That's not fair.

You can write all you want -- but what you DO is most important when you are in a position of authority.  He did not ban the abuses and punish the offenders.  Instead he was all talk, no do.  It's like a CEO writing a bunch of books on how to run a business while letting the business he is actually running go to ruin. Oh, but who cares, he wasn't bankrupt PERSONALY.
Hindsight is always 20/20
(10-23-2012, 12:09 AM)Poche Wrote: [ -> ]Hindsight is always 20/20

People called JPII out when he was alive. Remember Archbishop Lefebvre?
(10-17-2012, 01:26 PM)jacobhalo Wrote: [ -> ]One big mistake of the Novus Ordo  pastors is NOT to admonish those Catholics who are pro-abortion.  It should be preached from the pulpits that abortion is murder and you can't give a woman the right to commit murder.  Those Catholics who say that they are against abortion but they give the woman the right to choice are illogical.  You can't give a person the right to do a wrong. 
Whatever happened to it being a spiritual work of mercy to instruct the ignorant/admonish the sinner?
(10-18-2012, 07:30 PM)OCLittleFlower Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012, 07:12 PM)Scriptorium Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-18-2012, 06:58 PM)OCLittleFlower Wrote: [ -> ]It all smacks of empty justifications to me.  At the end of the day, he KNEW things were out of control yet did nothing about it.

Look at your words. He did "nothing". That perspective smacks of something too. Make sure the pendulum doesn't swing too far too fast, or it will come off.

Okay, what did he do then?  What did he do to fix the rampant modernism and abuses in the Church that he allowed to occur by not being heavy handed enough?
From the OP it looks like he did the NewChurch thang ... he got together with his committee, formed committees from the committees and talked talked and talked amongst themselves ...appointed this or that fella to examine the issue further...formed more committee...issued memos to one another...and at the endow the day...did nothing!
Most traveled Pope ever to meet people face to face. He did nothing? Did St Paul do nothing?

(10-23-2012, 10:34 AM)Scriptorium Wrote: [ -> ]Most traveled Pope ever to meet people face to face. He did nothing? Did St Paul do nothing?

Did he ever preach conversion to the one true faith for the salvation of souls, the reality of hell, etc. Or did he by his silence project to the world that we are all ok and on our way to heaven? That our only real job was to make the world...this world...that perfect utopian kingdom of man. Man man man. It was all man man man. I'm ok you're ok cult of man.
(10-23-2012, 11:01 AM)DustinsDad Wrote: [ -> ]Did he ever preach conversion to the one true faith for the salvation of souls, the reality of hell, etc. Or did he by his silence project to the world that we are all ok and on our way to heaven? That our only real job was to make the world...this world...that perfect utopian kingdom of man. Man man man. It was all man man man. I'm ok you're ok cult of man.

You tell me, since you seem to be so educated about his pontificate and doctrine.
"This is man in all the fullness of the mystery in which he has become a sharer in Jesus Christ, the mystery in which each one of the four thousand million human beings living on our planet has become a sharer from the moment he is conceived beneath the heart of his mother.  ...  This man is the way for the Church-a way that, in a sense, is the basis of all the other ways that the Church must walk-because man-every man without any exception whatever-has been redeemed by Christ, and because with man-with each man without any exception whatever-Christ is in a way united, even when man is unaware of it" (Pope John Paul II, Redemptor Hominis, nn. 13f.).

Each man is, from the moment of his conception, not only a sharer in the mystery of redemption, but has also already been redeemed by Christ, even if he's unaware of it.

How do Baptism, sanctifying grace and the theological virtues figure into all of this?  Beats me!

Anyway, St. Thomas taught, "It was unfitting for human nature to be assumed by the Word in all its supposita.  ...  Neither can it be said that the Son of God assumed human nature as it is in all the individuals of the same species, otherwise he would have assumed all men" (Summa Theologiæ, III, q. 4, a. 5; q. 2, a. 5, ad 2).  But maybe Pope John Paul II meant something else other than what he said...
You can't honestly think that your quotation from St. Thomas is touching on what was said by Bl. John Paul II, can you? Good Lord.
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