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I don't care what vice we talk about, if you love it, you'll do more of it. If the Bible said that the love of sex was the root of all evil, then the surest way to achieve hell on earth would be to proclaim "free love." But it occurs to me that the Bible says that love of money is the root of all evil. Then what better way to achieve hell on earth than to proclaim "free market." Get rid of kings, guilds, small farms, religion...heck even ethnicity and nationhood doesn't matter anymore.

I was talking to an Italian friend about American politics and he said that Italians know a lot about it because American television is everywhere in Europe now. In fact, he says there are hardly any European produced TV shows anymore. But he made this comment to me, "Man, you guys are obsessed with money. I can tell by your television shows." We Americans are known (maybe notorious) for our love of money, so henceforth, we have a lot of it. And it is apparent that Europe is now our colony, at least since the Marshall Plan. I think the world is next.

I'm just asking Catholics here to please start promoting and taking stands on things that promote nationhood and tradition again. Get away from that Communist vs. Capitalist trap. We want to live in a world where Catholic nations can afford two hour lunches, lots of holidays and beautiful art (for the sake of art: not profit). Where a Hindu can afford to respect all life no matter how small, or where a Moslem can afford to frown on interest and where primitive peoples can afford to live the life they choose. We don't want to live in a businessman's world where profit and efficiency become the sole criteria of success under an American umbrella which, as everyone except Americans admit, is really Judaism in disguise.

One encouraging thing is that this Italian friend told me he was afraid Italy would end up like America. A German college student told me ever since he came to America he hasn't felt very well. He agreed with me that American food is poison and love of profit and money have given us GMO's and cheap ingredients at maximum cost. Capitalists never change. Europeans erected "socialist" barriers to preserve their sovereignty against cheap American products early on. They've succeeded because they had (until America conquered them) more cultural homogeneity than we have had. Socialism wouldn't work in America because we have no ethnic or religious identity due to greed and love of profit starting with the African slave-trade. I think America is doomed as a result. But the other countries can still be saved, even Canada. 

And if you are not American, please take a good look at America from a cultural perspective. Visit if you can. Is this what you want for your land? I'm really encouraged that this Italian guy said: "I'm afraid Italy will end up like this." I think for Europe it is too late.
So America is doomed because socialism wouldn't work here.  Huh.
In one hand you advocate abstaining from nationalism but then criticize American for issues related to a lack of national homogeneity?

I sense a lack of continuity here...

... Huh?
Quote: So America is doomed because socialism wouldn't work here.  Huh.
Actually Doc, I believe it is the other way around.  It will be saved because it is not socialist (well, we are part socialist).
Quote: “That We, in keeping with Our fatherly solicitude, may answer their petitions, We make this pronouncement: Whether considered as a doctrine, or an historical fact, or a movement, Socialism, if it remains truly Socialism, even after it has yielded to truth and justice on the points which we have mentioned, cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth. …... Religious socialism, Christian socialism, are contradictory terms; no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist.”
(11-01-2012, 10:08 PM)mistman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what vice we talk about, if you love it, you'll do more of it. If the Bible said that the love of sex was the root of all evil, then the surest way to achieve hell on earth would be to proclaim "free love." But it occurs to me that the Bible says that love of money is the root of all evil. Then what better way to achieve hell on earth than to proclaim "free market." Get rid of kings, guilds, small farms, religion...heck even ethnicity and nationhood doesn't matter anymore.

I was talking to an Italian friend about American politics and he said that Italians know a lot about it because American television is everywhere in Europe now. In fact, he says there are hardly any European produced TV shows anymore. But he made this comment to me, "Man, you guys are obsessed with money. I can tell by your television shows." We Americans are known (maybe notorious) for our love of money, so henceforth, we have a lot of it. And it is apparent that Europe is now our colony, at least since the Marshall Plan. I think the world is next.

I'm just asking Catholics here to please start promoting and taking stands on things that promote nationhood and tradition again. Get away from that Communist vs. Capitalist trap. We want to live in a world where Catholic nations can afford two hour lunches, lots of holidays and beautiful art (for the sake of art: not profit). Where a Hindu can afford to respect all life no matter how small, or where a Moslem can afford to frown on interest and where primitive peoples can afford to live the life they choose. We don't want to live in a businessman's world where profit and efficiency become the sole criteria of success under an American umbrella which, as everyone except Americans admit, is really Judaism in disguise.

One encouraging thing is that this Italian friend told me he was afraid Italy would end up like America. A German college student told me ever since he came to America he hasn't felt very well. He agreed with me that American food is poison and love of profit and money have given us GMO's and cheap ingredients at maximum cost. Capitalists never change. Europeans erected "socialist" barriers to preserve their sovereignty against cheap American products early on. They've succeeded because they had (until America conquered them) more cultural homogeneity than we have had. Socialism wouldn't work in America because we have no ethnic or religious identity due to greed and love of profit starting with the African slave-trade. I think America is doomed as a result. But the other countries can still be saved, even Canada. 

And if you are not American, please take a good look at America from a cultural perspective. Visit if you can. Is this what you want for your land? I'm really encouraged that this Italian guy said: "I'm afraid Italy will end up like this." I think for Europe it is too late.

So let's get this straight.  You have Italian and German friends critical of America, who seek a third way between Capitalism and Communism, and who wish to promote nationhood and tradition?  If this sounds familiar, please raise your hand: 

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This is what the past pontiffs have had to say about Socialism:

http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politica...alism.html

For the most part, socialist Europe has turned its back on its Catholic heritage, and as such, it is reaping the due punishments economically and demographically.
Just on the title of the thread, if one loves money to the point that his very existence and being is to accrue or spend as much as possible, or course he will have a lot of it. One can be a greedy workaholic who eats, sleeps, and breathes Benjamin's, just as people want to accrue cars, gold, etc.

As Our Lord said: "for the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light." (St. Luke 16:8)